WHY DO KIDS GET UGLY?

My name is Karol, and I am the person you see in the first image. As a medical student, I saw a number of flaws in the way modern medicine approaches the issue of ADENOID FACES and decided to do something about it. I created my blog with the intention of educating the masses about this health issue, of which many people are completely oblivious. 

So, the main topic of this article is an ADENOID FACE, also known as a recessed face, bird face, or long face syndrome.

I am sure you have seen countless videos pertaining to this subject, mainly from YouTube channels such as Orthotropics, JAW HACKS, QUOVES studio, and so on. For decades, even centuries, people have been trying to figure out the cause of this facial shape. Some say it is genetics, others propose the negative effects of mouth-breathing and there is also an opinion that a reduced levels of sex hormones may play a crucial role in the development of this face.

My goal is to dissect every single one of these theories, persuade you that none of them is behind this interesting facial shape, and offer you a different perspective on this health condition. You may wonder why I just called it a health condition... I want you to remember that AESTHETICS EQUAL FUNCTION. We can all agree that adenoid faces are not very aesthetically pleasing, but it is not only about the looks. This condition involves a number of pitfalls that can and will manifest sooner or later after the initial formation of this face. These may involve obstructive sleep apnea (OSA), negative postural changes, malocclusion, temporomandibular joint disorder (TMD), and so on.

Besides exposing the true cause of this pathological condition, I also want to offer you a solution in the form of prevention and treatment, based on whether you are a child, a teenager, or an adult. On top of that, I am trying to raise awareness about medical malpractice in dentistry and orthodontics and its consequences.

It is necessary for you to read the entire article, as all information is intertwined and skipping certain parts will lead to you missing out on important details!

First, I will tell you about the real cause behind the adenoid face, and only then I am going to go through every single one of the theories I mentioned. All right, let’s get to it!

When we talk about the face, or the entire human head in general, we can differentiate between soft tissues and hard tissues. In this context, I will refer to the bones of the skull as the hard tissue, and the rest, such as skin or even cartilage, will be considered soft tissue. 


I want you to realize that the shape of the facial soft tissues largely depends on how much these are supported by the hard tissues (bones) located below them, serving as some sort of scaffolding. The way our soft tissues look depends largely on the genes each of us inherited, but the hard tissues are an entirely different story. You cannot inherit the SHAPE of your jaws - the individual differences among the jaw bones of adult humans are not influenced by genes. 
When we are born, the skull looks almost identical in everybody. On the other hand, when you study the skull shapes of adults, you will find so many variations, regardless of gender. Why is that? The answer can be found in the process of the skull’s growth. 
When we talk about the skull (cranium), we distinguish between the neurocranium (part of your skull in which your brain resides) and the viscerocranium (facial part of your skull). The growth of the neurocranium depends purely on the growth of the brain. The bones do not get larger simply because they grow themselves. They are getting bigger because the growing brain is pushing on them from the inside, hence making them larger. A perfect example would be Lester Green, known as "Beetlejuice", whose brain and therefore neurocranium is underdeveloped (microcephaly).

But what about the viscerocranium? Here is when it‘s all starting to come together. The central bone of our face is the maxilla (upper jaw). It is also called a beauty bone because the way the maxilla is positioned dictates the positioning of the surrounding bones and, in the end, the look of our entire face.


When I first started doing research about the jaws, I came across the information that physiologically, the maxilla grows downward and forward, as depicted in these pictures:


But that is wrong. It does not grow in this manner; it never did and never will. This is the point at which every single doctor, researcher, historian, or scientist makes a mistake. This is the first step in the evaluation of the skull’s shape and if you make the mistake here, you are guaranteed to fail in the steps that come next... 
So far, all the researchers have assumed the adenoid face to be a deviation from the normal, good-looking face. Incorrect. ADENOID FACE IS THE NORM! And the face, which most of us consider normal and good-looking, is the deviation.
As I said previously, the central bone of the face is the maxilla. And MAXILLA'S PHYSIOLOGICAL GROWTH IS ROTATIONAL. AS IT GROWS, MAXILLA NATURALLY ROTATES DOWNWARD AND BACKWARD (=DOWNSWING - it isn't vertical growth down, but a rotation!):


The key aspect that you should be looking at while assessing the jaws is the OCCLUSAL PLANE: 


I am going to show you images of several celebrities, women and men, known for their good looks, and your task is to notice something important about their occlusal planes:


All these good-looking people share one particular facial feature, despite looking totally different from each other. So what is it? HORIZONTAL OCCLUSAL PLANE. If you did not manage to catch it at first glance, look at their faces again. 

Now I am going to show you pictures of celebrities with adenoid faces, and once again, you will take a look at their occlusal planes: 

Do you see the difference? Is their occlusal plane horizontal? No, it is slanted: 


What is the reason behind this phenomenon? The thing is, the maxilla grows and rotates in every single one of us. So, why do some people have horizontal occlusal planes and others do not? Now we are getting to the pivotal point of this topic. 

To prevent the rotation (downswing) of the maxilla and keep the occlusal plane horizontally leveled, you have to apply RESISTANCE. That can be done either directly when you push your tongue against the bone itself, or indirectly, when you push the teeth of your lower jaw against the teeth of your upper jaw. You may think that I am going to start talking about "mewing" now. I am not, as I do not stand by its core principle, which is holding your tongue against the roof of your mouth, but we will get to that later... 

Under normal circumstances, when the baby is in the womb, it swallows the surrounding fluid, known as amniotic fluid. The process of swallowing is really important because, as the baby swallows, its tongue is swiping against the hard palate of the maxillary bone, and that motion prevents the maxilla from rotating.


Did you catch what I just said? Motion. REPETITIVE MOTION is what leads to a change in bone’s shape. Not static pushing of the tongue. Imagine you are a blacksmith and you need to create a sword. What are you going to do? Will you be continuously pushing the hammer against the steel of the blade, and this way fatique your muscles in a matter of several minutes? I think not. You will be hitting the blade. Repetitively. Over and over again, until you achieve the desired shape. 

So, the main take-home message is: THE CAUSE OF EVERY SINGLE JAW ISSUE IS MECHANICAL.

We talked about how things are before we are born, but what about after? Is swallowing still responsible for the shape of our faces? If we leave out the time period when we are being breastfed, then no. You see, in utero and during the infancy stage (the first year after birth), it is the direct resistance that is important, but after that, in the toddler stage and older children, only indirect resistance matters. The tongue still plays a certain role, but it is no longer strong enough to oppose the maxillary rotation as bones are becoming less malleable. 

You probably wonder: What is stronger than the tongue? The answer is our masticatory muscles, mainly the masseters which are the strongest muscles in our body (relatively). It's not because they are somehow special; they are exactly the same as any other skeletal muscles, but their positioning allows for the most effective application of force. The force that your masseters can yield and put both of your jaws together with, is more than 90 kg. Is your tongue capable of exerting such force? Most definitely not. So you probably know where I am headed with this... 

It is the chewing muscles that are responsible for people having good-looking faces. If you do not use them, the maxilla will naturally rotate and prolong the face into an adenoid one. So, in which instances does that happen? 

1. NOT EATING FREQUENTLY ENOUGH / STARVING 

2. Having a SOFT-FOOD DIET 

Personally, I experienced both of these situations. I am not saying that I come from a family that could not afford food; definitely not. However, I suffer from lactose intolerance, and throughout my childhood, I was constantly experiencing abdominal cramps after most of my meals, even though I eliminated dairy products from my diet. These cramps can be extremely debilitating for an adult, let alone a child. My doctor did not address this issue, and as a kid, I did not know any better, so I simply stopped eating. This action obviously put an end to my intestinal discomfort, but it wasn't until I was 16 years old that I actually started eating more food. On top of that, when I turned 15, I started wearing a removable orthodontic appliance, which was unfortunately constructed very poorly and made my occlusion asymmetrical. Chewing with an occlusal asymmetry was evoking immense pain in one of my jaw joints and pretty much limited me to eating only softer foods. At the time, I was not aware of the repercussions (more on that later, in the „orthodontics“ section).

In the first 2 images, I was almost 2 years of age and a good-looking kid. In the fourth picture I was 15 years old. Notice the facial convexity in that image. The third picture, where I was 6, represents a situation that people often ignore - the initial formation of an adenoid face. I substantially reduced my eating frequency around that age, and you can see that my face started to become more convex and down-swung.


The maxilla will grow regardless of whether you chew or not, but chewing changes the direction in which the maxilla grows. It will not rotate downward and backward (due to the resistance applied by your muscles), instead it will grow forward, simply because that is the only direction left for growth.
In the linked video, you can see that the mandible acts as a hammer (controlled by the masticatory muscles), and the maxilla serves as an anvil (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/d2Yi7QLpHug)That is how chewing prevents and reverses the downswing of the jaws. It's possible only in childhood and during the teenage years. Once the person becomes an adult, chewing will in all probability have no effect on the adenoid face.

The image of Erin Moriarty and David Thompson is another example of just how massive the upper jaw can get when there is no resistance in its way. It appears that David has an underdeveloped chin/mandible but in reality, his maxilla is "overdeveloped". As the maxilla was growing rotationally, the mandible was simply being pushed into downward and backward rotation along with it. David's long midface (compared to Erin) proves the maxilla is "overgrown" and not deficient.


The same can be said about the actresses in the image below. Melissa Jaffer has a notably prolonged middle third of her face, and overall, her skull is convex (due to the maxillary rotational growth unopposed by resistance), compared to Abbey Lee, whose face isn't adenoid. 



Now we are going to take a look on images of kids that have adenoid faces. First, I will start with children who are not eating (and therefore not chewing) frequently enough. Be advised that you may find some of the pictures disturbing... Then, we will look at children whose diet consists mostly of soft foods. A lot of people keep saying: "He will change; he is just a child." or "She will grow up." It does not work that way - nothing happens on its own. It's like hoping to win a marathon without putting any work into training. Soon you will understand...

1) KIDS BARELY EATING ANY FOOD:
Notice that the heads of these malnourished children are bone and skin - their masticatory muscles (masseters, temporal muscles) are not being used, which leads not only to their hypotrophy (shrinkage) but also inability to counteract the downswing in the jaws.

The colors of the circles below will be explained later...


2) KIDS EATING SOFT FOOD:

In your eyes, the second group of kids are completely normal-looking children. That’s what you see. I, on the other hand, see a doctor’s failure. Failure to educate the parents and, most importantly, the children about their adenoid faces and the imminent consequences of this condition. Doctor’s failure to act.

The boy in the pictures below is LANDON JONES. He suffers from a medical condition, which causes him to not feel hungry. Take a good look at the transition of his relatively good-looking facial shape to an adenoid face with severe convexity and downswing (more on the issue of crowded teeth later). Before the onset of this disorder, his diet wasn't perfect by any means - it consisted mainly of "fast foods" that weren't particularly tough. Still, his masticatory muscles were pretty well developed back then. 
As the health condition set in, Landon stopped eating - he did not chew any food, so the maxilla rotated downward + backward (without any resistance in its way) and prolonged his face. 
In the last picture, the boy appears to be sad/shy/grumpy - it's just an illusion (the rotated maxilla no longer supports the soft tissues of his face, and this leads to their sagging and his "sad" appearance). Take note of the hypotrophied masseters and a long midface after the unwanted transformation.
Read more here: (https://eu.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/kyle-munson/2014/10/26/landon-jones-medical-mystery-urge-eat-drink/17950935/).



Now, I will show you a perfect example of what happens when a person who didn't eat much food in his early childhood starts doing so in puberty.
This person is none other than DAVID LAID. For those who do not know, he is a fitness influencer known for his extreme body transformation, which positively changed not only his life but motivated millions of other people worldwide. What the majority of people do not realize is that it was not only his body that changed, but his face as well. Some will mistakenly argue that behind his altered facial appearance were pubertal hormonal changes (more on the effects of testosterone later...), but at this point, you already know better. It was the switch to a tough-food diet and ensuing frequent mastication that reorientated both of the jaws.


VARIANTS OF AN ADENOID FACE
Do you remember when I said the tongue position still matters, even after we are born? Now it is time for you to find out a bit more about it. Among adenoid faces, we can recognize 2 main variants that depend solely on the tongue positioning. 
Both of the men in the pictures below have adenoid faces, but there is a slight difference in their convexities. Liam Neeson has an adenoid face, but it is not as convex, compared to the person in the second picture. This occurs due to a phenomenon known as TONGUE-THRUST. It means, that the tongue is pushing from the inside of your mouth against your incisors, which makes them flare forward thus creating an illusion of buck teeth. Keep in mind that it is not only the teeth that end up flared forward but also a part of the jaw. Both upper and lower. This part is called the alveolar process, which you can see being pushed forward in the picture of me pulling my lower lip down. The majority of people, and sadly, doctors as well, assume that what they see is hypoplasia (underdevelopment) of the chin/mandible. Their failure in judgment leads to slip-ups in diagnostics and the following treatment. And who will be the victim in the end? You. The patient. The chin is never absolutely small; it can only be relatively small in comparison to the prominent alveolar process (it's anatomically impossible for the chin to be underdeveloped).


Tongue-thrust (Note that the tongue does not need to be positioned in between the teeth. In most cases, it only pushes on them):


Protruding alveolar process:



Both of these women have adenoid faces, even though the convexities are different. The face of the woman on the right is more convex due to tongue-thrust, and for the same reason, their chins seem to be of different sizes. 
Their noses lack anatomical support from the rotated maxilla - that's why they appear to be large and curved (the nasal bone does support the soft nasal tissues, but the maxilla does not):


There is also a third variant of an adenoid face, but this one is extremely rare. Nonetheless, it is interesting and should not be left out. This type is characterized by an ABSOLUTELY SMALL LOWER JAW (mandibular hypoplasia = underdevelopment, micrognathia). On the x-ray scans you can see why (+ notice the compensatory UPWARD HEAD-TILT):

The lower jaw of the patients above isn’t just pushed into downward and backward rotation by the growing maxilla, but it is extremely small at the same time. There can be multiple reasons behind it (all of them happening at a young age):

1) JAW JOINT ANKYLOSIS (Ankylosis means, that the temporomandibular joint becomes immobile, due to its ossification. Patient can barely open his mouth, let alone chew.)
2) CONDYLAR RESORPTION (due to trauma or arthritis, mainly idiopathic juvenile arthritis = IJA)
3) BURNS IN THE NECK AREA (Burns cause inflammation, which causes fibrosis formation. Fibrosis causes the muscles of the neck to become permanently contracted. These pathologically altered muscles, along with the skin, then pull the lower jaw downward, making chewing nearly impossible.)  


4) NEVER EATING TOUGH FOOD - if one’s diet consists purely of soft food (minced meat, mashed potatoes, smoothies...), and he never chews anything in his life, the lower jaw will remain very small. Chewing stimulates the growth of our mandible. Notice the petite size of the mandibular ramus in the patients below (they didn't chew any tough food, and consequently, their ramus and the entire lower jaw did not grow = mandibular hypoplasia)
Their chins appear to be short, but that is only a result of the mandibular rotation and the tongue-thrust, which pushes the teeth and alveolar process forward. It is the entire mandible that is small, not the chin.

When we talk about rotational growth of the jaw, primary rotation occurs in the maxilla, and that in turn causes rotation in the mandible. Mandibular rotation is a little bit tricky, because there are 2 points of rotation.
The first point is the temporomandibular joint itself and when rotation in this joint is anatomically no longer possible, the mandible will rotate in the second point. This one is located where the body of the mandible meets the mandibular ramus, as this place is the weakest point in our lower jaw. In most cases, you can find the second rotational point very easily, because it looks like a notch. This notch, along with the lengthening of apertura piriformis (see image below) and a prolonged midface, proves that the main cause of an adenoid face is in fact rotational growth of the maxilla and not only a lack of growth of the posterior part of the maxilla.
In the picture, you see an x-ray of my skull, and you can clearly identify the second point of rotation (you could also see it very well in some of the starving children):


My skull is the perfect tool for your learning. I want you to notice the slanted occlusal plane, optically enormous size of my nose, and protrusion of the alveolar process, which causes my lips to project forward and makes them more pronounced while making the chin look smaller. You see that in my case, the mandible isn’t underdeveloped; it is just orientated differently. It's rotated. I do NOT have mandibular hypoplasia (micrognathia, small lower jaw), as I did eat tough food when I was a young child, but not frequently enough. Still, it stimulated the growth of my lower jaw, despite being insufficient to prevent the rotation in both of my jaws. Later, I will talk more in detail about the nose issue depicted here. See the difference in the soft tissues of my face after I rotated both of the jaws in the second image above.


One more time, to be sure you understand. The person in the first image below has an overdeveloped upper jaw (in a rotational manner) and an underdeveloped lower jaw (micrognathia) - he also compensates with an upward head tilt for the lack of airway space. The person in the second image has an overdeveloped upper jaw (in a rotational manner), but the lower jaw is not underdeveloped; it's only orientated in a way that makes it seem smaller (explained on a piece of tube in the image below - the tube remains the same size; it has only been bent):

Compare mandibular ramus of Hailey Kalil and me. Mine is rotated posteriorly, while Hailey’s ramus points forward. This is a perfect depiction of the first rotational point located in the jaw joint.
On top of that, the second point of rotation can be seen in my mandible as well.

TOOTH DECAY

Looking at the x-ray scan, you may also wonder why I have so many dental fillings. I digress here, but we will talk a little bit about tooth decay. The cause of dental caries is demineralization of the outer layer of our teeth (enamel). This enables bacterial infection to spread to the deeper layers of our teeth and thus leads to cavities and pain. The sugar in our diet serves as a source of food for the bacteria. The waste products of these bacteria are acids that break down the enamel. But that is not everything... 
When I was a child, I always wondered why my teeth were so yellow, despite me religiously brushing them every day. My dentist told me it was genetics, which is, of course, a nonsense. 
The teeth of every person should be of the color porcelain-white. If they are not, you can be sure the teeth are not mineralized, meaning the enamel is very thin, and through it, you can see the underlaying layer, the dentin. In adults, the yellow color may also be a result of external staining from coffee, wine, curry, and so on. For young children, external staining is out of the question, as their sustenance does not consist of these types of foods and beverages. So, when a child has teeth that are significantly yellow, it is always due to insufficient mineralization. In the image below, you can see me when I was little, and what seems to be an open-and-shut case now was sadly totally ignored by my doctors then. 


Dentin has a naturally yellow color. In the picture, you can see what teeth with a lack of mineralization look like. Notice the yellow color, glossy appearance, and thin transparent line on the edges of the teeth. The more yellow the teeth are, the thinner the enamel.



Getting a lot of calcium in your diet is the key to addressing the issue here, but as always, it is never this easy. What every pediatrician should check up on are not only typical clinical signs on the teeth of the child but also levels of calcium and vitamin D. Without this vitamin, the calcium that you ingest will never be absorbed in your guts and, therefore, will be lost. My doctor never did that, and the consequences were brutal. 
We get the majority of vitamin D from exposing our skin to sun rays, so the majority of the population takes it for granted. Sunlight (UV-B) is responsible for the conversion of 7-dehydrocholesterol in our skin to vitamin D. In order to become active, it needs to be further metabolized in the liver and kidneys. Only then will you have an active form of vitamin D. Not everyone has the same skin type, and some people need to spend a lot more time in the sun than others (in this case, paleness rarely tells you anything  - better not to rely on it). This fact is often omitted, and that leads to failures in treatment management because doctors are not addressing the true cause. 
Rickets is the most severe form of vitamin D deficiency. Not every child will present with the typical symptoms if the deficiency is only mild. However, even in such cases, the teeth are still going to be negatively affected.
In addition, if maternal levels of vitamin D are below the normal reference range, it will also affect the tooth development of the fetus.
Similarly, vitamin K is also important in the context of teeth's health, as it helps with the accumulation of calcium in the teeth.




I am sure you have heard the saying "BLUE BLOOD". It‘s the blood of royals, and the reason behind it is that highborns did not spend much time in the sun compared to simple peasants working on fields; therefore, they had pale skin and the superficial blue veins were easily visible. You also heard that royal families used to have tooth decay more frequently than not-so-wealthy individuals. Yes, eating loads of sugar had a negative impact, but the primary cause was a lack of tooth mineralization due to vitamin D deficiency. 
Sadly, dentists say that behind every cavity is poor oral hygiene, but the most important protection layer against bacteria is the enamel. Mechanical brushing will never remove all of the bacteria, and the ones that get left behind can still do significant damage. If the teeth aren’t mineralized properly in the first place, the demineralizing effect of the bacteria is amplified. In other words, imagine when bacteria are working their way through mineralized teeth; it is like they are using shovels to dig through the enamel. In a scenario where your enamel layer is not mineralized and is thin, these shovels quickly turn into excavators, and no matter how well you brush your teeth, you will still end up having tooth decay.
 
The general public believes that using tooth paste containing fluoride remineralizes the teeth. No, it doesn‘t. Calcium does that, not fluoride. Imagine your blood as an ocean, the calcium in it as a ship, and the fluoride applied on your teeth as a beacon. It helps to navigate the calcium deposition into your teeth, but when you are low on calcium, that is not going to happen. You have a beacon, but you don’t have ships.

Take a good look at the yellow color of this kid’s teeth. Now compare them to his mother‘s beautiful porcelain-white teeth. This kid is starving and low on calcium; therefore, the formation of enamel is disrupted, and the yellow color you see is the dentin layer underneath it. In this case, it is unlikely to be a vitamin D deficiency:


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1879981717300499?via%3Dihub


Back to the main topic
The critical detail that most doctors do not realize is that there is no clear line between the good-looking face and the adenoid face. Instead, there are as many DEGREES OF ROTATION as can be, hence numerous DEGREES OF DOWNSWING in our faces (do not confuse the degree of the downswing with the previously mentioned variants of adenoid faces). The extent of the downswing is a result of how frequently we masticate. And there is a difference between, let’s say, having tough food for breakfast + lunch + dinner and having tough food only for breakfast + lunch, but the dinner consists of soft food only. These subtle details, that do not seem like anything important, are in fact crucial. 

It seems that the woman below is fat; therefore, she has a "double chin". Wrong! She has an adenoid face and is subconsciously tilting her head upward as a compensation for compressed airways. Compenatory postural changes will be elucidated down the line...



Another important thing to note is AT WHAT AGE the child is introduced to the tough-food diet. Let’s compare the following 2 faces
One of the guys is previously mentioned DAVID LAID and the other is JEFF SEID, also a fitness star. You already know that David only started eating tough food in his teenage years, and despite his face being very good-looking now, it is still visibly longer than Jeff’s face. In the picture, David’s mouth is slightly open, but it does not affect the outcome of their comparison. Jeff’s skull tells us he was introduced to tough food very early on in his life - the transition from being breastfed to eating tough food was seamless.
Notice that the second rotational point (notch) that is still visible in David’s mandible is not present in Jeff’s lower jaw. It's a tiny detail many would miss, but nevertheless, relevant.

Another seamless transition from being breastfed to eating tough food can be seen in Olivia Dunne. Having a tough food diet for her entire life after being weaned off breastfeeding allowed her to retain a very good-looking facial shape. Her midface remained proportionally the same as she grew older. In a scenario where the transition wasn't smooth, the midface would be prolonged, regardless of whether the occlusal plane would be horizontal or not.



The huge mistake that pediatricians, orthodontists, dentists, and people in general make when judging adenoid faces lies in the front teeth (incisors) of the child. Upcoming images serve as the perfect example:
Notice the kid in the right picture. I am sure you recognize him from a certain YouTube video in which he says that his peers laugh at his appearance and call him bunny. So his doctors decide to file down his incisors and give him braces (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thshr_PTgeI).


The issue is that his front teeth are not large at all. Behind this illusion of massive incisors is the slant in the occlusal plane, the tongue-thrust, and bad habits such as a tendency to put the tongue between the upper and lower incisors, lip-catch, thumb-sucking, or prolonged use of a pacifier. 
Instead of filing down the kid’s teeth, doctors should have set him on a tough-food diet and given him braces only after the end of puberty to perfect the alignment of his teeth. What I am saying may sound like "pseudoscience" to you, but that was truly the only way to restore this boy’s face and his teeth back to normal. Chewing would not only stimulate the growth of his lower jaw but also gradually reorientate his slanted occlusal plane horizontally with the upswing of both jaws. The orthodontic work needed after that would be minimal.



NOSE

Okay, time to talk about the tissues of the nose. Many say that the way our noses look depends solely on our genetics. They couldn‘t be more wrong... 
In the majority of people who have a recessed face, you will find that their nose seems to be a little bit out of place, with its large size and shape of a curved beak. It is only an ILLUSION. We do inherit the size of our noses, but not their shape. That is completely dependent on how much support the hard tissues of the maxilla and nasal bone provide to the soft tissues of the nose, including cartilage. At the base of the opening to the nasal cavity, is located one small bony projection called ANTERIOR NASAL SPINE (ANS). I added an x-ray scan of a person who has a good-looking face. Notice the ANS. It is in a relatively horizontal position, just like the occlusal plane, right?

Now take a look at the anterior nasal spine in my scans (marked red for better visualization). It is not horizontal at all; instead, it is slanted, just like my occlusal plane. Do not confuse ANS with cartilage (ANS is sharp and pointy, not dull)! 
The anterior nasal spine serves as a support for the cartilage of the nasal septum; therefore, in the end, it is responsible for the shape of our noses. When the upper jaw is recessed, the ANS, as a part of the maxilla, is recessed as well. People with adenoid faces often have an aquiline nose (shaped like the beak of an eagle). That is no coincidence, but rather the sagging of the nasal soft tissues due to not having anatomical support. Sayings such as French nose, Roman nose, or Jewish nose are in fact based on mere illusion where the person’s nose is not massive/hooked but rather his/her jaws are down-swung (hence the jaw bones don't support the soft nasal tissues). 
In the pictures, you see people who have large noses, at least at first sight. But look closely, and you will see that they simply have an adenoid face. The compensatory position of their head, which is tilted upward, creates the illusion of a prominent nose. I will explain the types of compensation later on...


In this trio of pictures, you can see how a wrong diagnosis always turns into the wrong treatment. The girl had surgery performed on her nose and chin, but the end result isn’t satisfying anyway. Why is that? Because the real cause was not addressed at all. Instead of a nose job combined with the insertion of a chin implant, she needed a jaw surgery with counter-clockwise rotation of both jaws (at the end, I will provide more detailed information on jaw surgery). If you cover the bottom half of the third image, you wouldn't even say the girl has an adenoid face if you did not know beforehand.

The image below shows the appearance of a person before and after the jaw surgery – this type of jaw issue is called CLASS 3 MALOCCLUSION (in the „genetics“ section, I will say more). Remember, NOT A SINGLE JAW ISSUE IS HEREDITARY
Even though class 3 is not an adenoid face, you can see how much difference it made after the surgeon moved the maxilla forward, providing support for the nasal tissues. There was nothing done to the nose directly.


In the pictures below, you can see examples of pointless rhinoplasties (after the procedure, their faces are still convex, proving it is the maxilla that needs addressing, not the nose):

SKIN

Look at the following number of skin issues these people are bothered with, thinking the causative factors are age, genes, stress, and so on. But the real cause is simply a lack of soft tissue support by the maxilla and, subsequently, by the mandible.


The kid below is also concerned with his appearance. Even though he is slim, his cheeks appear to be bloated. But his face is not bloated at all. It's just the skin hanging over the position where the maxilla (and mandible) should have been. Being lean and slim are two different things. This kid is skinny because he does not eat frequently enough, and his maxilla is rotated for the same exact reason. Significant reduction or even complete absence of mastication.
He says he has been chewing mastic gum for a couple of weeks now. Tough chewing gums are amazing because, even when your financial situation does not allow you to eat tough foods every day, there is still a high chance you can afford this type of chewing gum. For example, from the brands STRONGER GUM, JAWLINER, or you can opt for mastic gum. Beware of using incisor-based jaw trainers, such as JAWZRSIZE, as these may cause an injury to the temporomandibular joint and lead to TMD. And so may chewing anything too vigorously... Muscles adapt to a heavy load fairly quickly, but if the jaw joint isn't used to frequent chewing, a sudden onset of rapid chewing will be stressful to the structures of the joint, which may lead to permanent damage. Patience and prudence are above everything here - it is imperative to CHEW SLOWLY (yet intensely)! Furthermore, it is not recommended using molar-based jaw trainers, for example, from the brand CHISELL. The main problem with these rubber gadgets (apart from the possibility that they may induce TMD like the previous type) is that while chewing on them, occlusal contact is not being made. This will still allow the masticatory muscles to adapt through hypertrophy, but it will not lead to an upswing of the jaws. Physiologically, during mastication, the upper and lower teeth never directly touch, yet the jaws come fully together after each opening. This REPETITIVE OCCLUSAL CONTACT is necessary for the reversal of the down-swung jaws!
Is chewing tough food or tough chewing gum going to give you a jawline? No. Only mewing / being lean reveals the jawline. But it is not about superficial reasons such as chasing sharp jawlines and looking like a "gigachad". Intense chewing in childhood and early adolescence will prevent and reverse the formation of an adenoid face - that is the goal you should aim for. In adults, the muscles will still adapt through hypertrophy, but due to the bones not being malleable anymore at that age, the natural reversal of an adenoid face is most likely impossible. In the linked article (https://www.delish.com/food-news/a61158175/facial-gum-for-chiseled-jawline-teen-boys-tiktok/), Dr. Frank says that hard chewing gums are only a marketing trick and that defined faces come naturally as people age. That is not true. Faces either develop correctly or don't, and the proper development of facial bones is guided by the masticatory muscles (and, in the earliest stages of our lives, by the tongue). 
The kid is already 16, so he has only a couple of years at maximum for a positive change in his face. In order to achieve that, he has to chew very frequently (essentially, as often as he can) and intensely every day in order to properly utilize this limited amount of time. Chewing for, let's say, 30 minutes every day is insufficient in his case:

BODY DYSMORPHIA

In recent years, many kids have hopped onto the "mewing train". Their actions stem from an endless stream of TikTok and YouTube shorts about defined jawlines and so-called "looksmaxxing". Sadly, most of these videos are nothing but a farce, spreading misleading, irrational content made solely for the purpose of receiving views and online fame. Undoubtedly, kids want to look good, but it's not only about appearance... Adults (teachers, parents) try to discourage their behaviour, linking it to the creation of a negative self-image, and instead encourage children to embrace their own "unique" looks, even when the issue is very clearly visible and should be addressed. Again, AESTHETICS EQUAL FUNCTION (HEALTH)! These kids see that something isn't quite right, so they try to change it for the better, but ignorant adults want to talk them out of it? Not surprising...
Equivalent to this situation would be a patient who's having typical symptoms of a heart attack. He walks into a hospital, and rather than helping him, medical personnel says: "It's only in your head. Don't you worry, everything will be all right." And in an hour, he ends up dead... 
Do you understand where I am headed with this? Kids are trying to improve their appearance and, with it, their health without even realizing it, and instead of providing them with useful information and our support, we suppress their efforts. Mewing (the tongue positioned on the roof of the mouth) isn't going to change anything - children need to be taught about the importance and necessity of FREQUENT AND INTENSE MASTICATION. 
Once I was waiting at a bus stop and a group of pre-school kids went by, all of them having recessed, adenoid faces. Usually there are only a couple of kids in every class, but this time it was the entire group. All of them. Situations like this bring tears to my eyes, knowing that it is medical professionals who are not doing anything regarding this serious health condition that dwells in our modern lives. Nowadays, we have doctors so that our children don't have to suffer from pathological health conditions like they did hundreds of years ago. What's the point of having your child assigned to a pediatrician who does not feel the need to prevent the formation of an adenoid face and, ultimately, its repercussions? It's like the kid visits the doctor only for him to treat infections, and the correct development of the child into a healthy adult is dependent solely on luck.

SNORING and OBSTRUCTIVE SLEEP APNEA

OBSTRUCTIVE SLEEP APNEA (OSA) is an insidious diagnosis that many of us are not even aware exists, and those who are familiar with OSA most of the time have no clue what‘s behind it. Oftentimes, doctors say that it is a high body fat percentage and fat deposition in our necks that cause the compression of the airways or that our tongue falls back and obstructs the airways. Not really. Being fat/obese may exacerbate this medical condition, but the cause is something entirely different. You guessed it - down-swung jaws. 
As the maxilla pushes the mandible downward and backward, soft tissues in between the mandibular body are responsible for airway compression, which in turn causes typical symptoms of OSA. It definitely isn’t dependent on how much fat or muscle you store around your neck area, because skinny people have OSA too. 


Usually, medical professionals use SNORING as the main onset predictor of obstructive sleep apnea, but this symptom is not very specific. I am sure you yourself or at least someone you know snores, and there is a high chance it bothers people close to them. They have tried everything, even sleeping with their mouths taped shut during the night, so far with no success whatsoever. But you see, how can you expect to win a fight when you do not even know what you are fighting against? Snoring has nothing to do with having your mouth open, and sealing it with tape isn’t going to do much good anyway. So, what is snoring? Snoring is a VIBRATION OF THE SOFT PALATE. 


And how do you stop it? Simply. You have to provide support for your soft palate so that it cannot vibrate. The only structure in your mouth capable of achieving that is your tongue.


And yes, I do mean MEWING (tongue positioned on the roof of your mouth). Mewing will never change the shape of your face, but it is going to eliminate your snoring issue. "But Kay, when we sleep, our skeletal muscles relax; how am I supposed to mew?" You are correct, but understand that it is not the force of your muscular tongue keeping it up against the roof of your mouth. In order for you to hold the tongue sealed firmly against the palate (mainly the posterior third of the tongue), you have to create a VACCUUM. You will press the entire tongue up against the roof of your mouth, and while doing so, you are going to get rid of all the saliva in between the palate and the tongue by swallowing very quickly a couple of times. You are essentially turning your tongue into a suction cup. Vaccuum will hold the tongue up for the entirety of the night. Having your tongue in this position does not impede airflow or the flow of saliva into your throat and esophagus.
Many who try to mew fail because of a poor technique and then say it's impossible. Some people may find it difficult due to having a narrow palate (from constriction of the dental arches), which can make things a bit more challenging.
Once I attended a lecture about arterial hypertension, and the doctor talked a bit about OSA. Long story short, he did not know absolutely anything about this condition, saying that CPAP is the only possible treatment right now and that surgical attempts to improve it were not successful at all (more about definitive OSA treatment in the "jaw surgery" section). 


CPAP means continuous positive airway pressure. A CPAP machine consists of a face mask and a tube that deliver airflow into one’s respiratory system under positive pressure. This constant pressure ensures that the airways do not collapse during the night. But there is a downside. If you keep on using CPAP for years, it will lead to the formation of fibrosis within the respiratory tract. The lecturer saying that there is no available alternative to CPAP just shows the lack of knowledge about this health issue in the sphere of medicine.

COMPENSATION OF AIRWAY COMPRESSION and POSTURAL CHANGES

As I said before, when both of the jaws rotate downward and backward, they compress the upper airways. This logically becomes an issue, and the body needs to compensate for the lack of airflow. There are 3 main types of compensation:
1) UPWARD HEAD TILT - the most common type, barely noticeable by an inexperienced observer who assumes the affected person simply has a large nose and a receding chin. 
2) MOUTH-BREATHING - in the picture, you can see it being combined with type 1 (head tilted upward).
3) FORWARD HEAD POSTURE (nerd neck). This compensatory type is the least common, but it always negatively affects one's posture. When the head is kept extended forward for prolonged periods of time, the cervical spine becomes unbalanced, and in order to stabilize it, the PSOAS MUSCLE tilts the pelvis forward, creating ANTERIOR PELVIC TILT and simultaneously accentuating lumbar lordosis (the kid in the first image has it too). Training abdominal and gluteal muscles (typical advice from doctors in these cases) is pointless, as these muscle groups are by no means weak. The only correct approach is: 1. fixing the jaw issue (the root cause of this problem); and 2. stretching the psoas (It is in a permanent state of spasm. Gluteal and abdominal muscles are weak only relatively to the contracted psoas.). Bad posture never leads to an adenoid face. It's always the other way around! 

In this scan of a young child, pay attention to the upward head tilt, slanted occlusal plane, second point of mandibular rotation (notch), formation of a nose hump, and the illusion of a receding chinThe imaginary green line (FRANKFORT PLANE: line between the lowest point of the orbital rim and the highest point of the auditory meatus) should be perpendicular to the vertical axis of the head in its neutral position, meaning it should be parallel to the floor.




All right, that was it for the main topic. Now let’s delve into dismantling the theories you have heard about so far (genetics, reduced levels of sex hormones, mouth breathing):
 

GENETICS

So, I will say it again. JAW ISSUES ARE NEVER HEREDITARY. JAW ISSUES ARE NOT CAUSED BY GENETICS. There is no genetic lottery to be won, which would be responsible for making you a good-looking or a bad-looking person.
 
We will take a little detour and talk about CLASS 3 MALOCCLUSION once again. I am sure you have heard about the phrase HABSBURG JAW. The Habsburgs were a royal family that used to rule in central Europe. They were known for a characteristic set of facial features: a protruding lower jaw and a large nose. 

Both of these were of course caused MECHANICALLY, just like every other jaw issue and not by inbreeding. At least not directly. 
People imagine that when they mix up the "wrong" genes, their children are going to be disfigured, ugly, and probably mentally retarded as well. Habsburgs were known for inbreeding, yes, but not so fast... 


When families engage in inbreeding, the children are very likely to inherit recessive genes. One gene consists of two alelles. Allela can be either dominant or recessive. When you combine them, you get one of three options: homozygous dominant (BB), heterozygous (Bb) or homozygous recessive (bb). The third option represents what happened in the Habsburg family... 
A study from 2021, published by Martin, Heard and Fung, provides insight that an autosomal recessive lysosomal disorder aspartylglucosaminuria may have been the prominent illness in the Habsburg dynasty (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8477247/).

Aspartylglucosaminuria is behind a myriad of clinical symptoms, but one that is important in this context is MACROGLOSSIA. It is a medical term for an enlarged tongue. Why is the tongue enlarged? Due to the deposition of osmotically active substances in the tongue tissue. These substances draw in water, thus making the tongue swell up. This causes the tongue to be relatively too big for the space within the child’s oral cavity. The tongue then slowly starts pushing the mandible forward (only a very slight amount, perhaps 1 or 2 millimeters), and the condyle, having the ability to remodel, grows back to its original position in the joint socket. This process gradually lengthens the lower jaw, which leads to its protrusion (prognathia).
The mechanism behind class 3 malocclusion is similar to the tongue-thrust phenomenon. The only difference is that in tongue-thrust, the tongue pushes against the teeth, and in class 3, the tongue pushes against the mandible itself (often, it pushes on the interface of the lower incisors and the mandibular bone). 
Understand that the tongue does not have to be enlarged to cause class 3 malocclusion. It can be perfectly normal-sized; only the child perpetually positions it abnormally (a bad habit). In the image below, both of the arrows represent the tongue:

For these children, swallowing of the amniotic fluid is difficult (due to abnormal size and/or positioning of the tongue), so the tongue doesn't provide resistance for the natural rotational growth, and that results in the maxilla swinging downward + backward, just like in the case of an adenoid face. Patients with class 3 malocclusion have slanted occlusal planes too: 

So you see, the causes of jaw issues can always be explained the right way; you only need to have your eyes wide open and not listen to the first thing you hear. Not even from medical professionals such as orthodontists, dentists, jaw surgeons, plastic surgeons, etc., who are oftentimes miseducated and lack the proper understanding.

Back to adenoid faces:
People usually think that a person with a recessed face is mentally challenged, and when that is not the case, it surprises them. That is because people are misinformed in a way that they think small lower jaws are directly caused by genetic mutations. Genetic syndromes associated with an adenoid face include Marfan syndrome, Sotos syndrome, DiGeorge syndrome, Hutchinson-Gilford syndrome, Turner syndrome, Treacher Collins syndrome, Pierre Robin syndrome, and so forth.
Children in the pictures below (DiGeorge syndrome) have faces that the majority of doctors call typical for that type of genetic syndrome, but in fact they're not. Adenoid face is not a specific symptom, although it is present in a lot of genetic syndromes. 
The faces of children afflicted by the mentioned syndromes are not developing correctly because of something pediatricians see so often yet pay little to no attention to - HYPOTONIA. It means low muscle tone. In other words, muscle weakness, which originates from damage to the central nervous system (brain) and is present in all of these syndromes. We have 3 types of muscles in our bodies: skeletal, smooth, and heart muscle. Hypotonia affects our skeletal muscles, including the tongue and the masseters. And again, when the children cannot swallow properly, the maxilla starts to rotate, not having any resistance in its way. Children are oftentimes born with a recessed, down-swung face (swallowing in utero is already an issue), and hypotonia persists even after they are born, so these kids are pretty much destined to have adenoid faces. They cannot defy it; they cannot fight it. Their muscles are way too weak. These kids don’t get to choose their appearance.


Below is a child born with Hutchinson-Gilford syndrome (progeria). Notice the prolonged midface, second rotational point in the mandible (notch), and protruding lips due to tongue-thrust (The tongue pushes on the teeth, which flare forward and, in turn, push on the lips. That, along with the mandibular rotation, is why the chin appears to be short.).


Swallowing does not stimulate the growth of the jaws; it only guides the growth by preventing the maxillary downswing.
So, a reduction in swallowing in children with progeria (and other syndromes mentioned beforehand) due to hypotonia is another proof that behind adenoid faces is not a deficiency in the growth of the posterior maxilla but a completely natural, not counteracted, rotation of the entire maxilla. This rotational growth then deforms the posterior part of the maxilla.
X-ray scan of a person with progeria:

X-ray scans of people with Pierre Robin syndrome (The maxilla and, as a consequence, the mandible are extremely rotated due to hypotonia. But your average, indoctrinated doctor will tell you that the jaws are underdeveloped...):

X-ray scans of people afflicted with Treacher Collins syndrome (you are able to see a compensatory upward head tilt in all three patients):

Below is an adolescent patient with Turner syndrome. A lot of times you will see/hear medical specialists making comments about these patients having "LOW SET EARS",  but that is just an illusion (and a proof that most people/doctors lack a sense of proper judgment). Her ears are not set low. She has trouble breathing, which is why she subconsciously tilts her head upward to open up her compressed airways. 
The FRANKFORT PLANE is a great tool for determining the true neutral head orientation at rest (with no upward head tilt) in most people. However, it doesn't allow for an objective assessment in every case (mainly not in patients with orbital recession, such as the ones below): 
Moreover, it seems that the girl with Turner syndrome above has a slanted forehead, just like many others with adenoid faces, but it's just an illusion. Behind it is the compensatory upward head tilt:


When I was in elementary school, I often wondered why the artists of the medieval era were so unskillful. Every portrait looked similar to the previous one, and I couldn’t understand why people of that time had such long and not very attractive faces. Historians and the general public will have debates about it being genetics. Again, no! Neither was it the lack of skill of the painters and sculptors, like I used to think. There were 2 main reasons behind the appearance of people in this era:



1) The diet of the RICH royal families consisted mainly of soft foodsOn top of that, the etiquette demanded the use of a table knife, which led to the nobles eating very small bites of food without the requirement of chewing.
2) The POOR commoners did not eat frequently enough (starved). 
Therefore, the maxilla rotated in both the rich and the poor.

Notice the compensatory upward tilt of Marie Antoinette's head, the illusion of a large, aquiline nose, and Hanoverian eyes.
 
Here you have an example of how uneducated the general public is, as most people believe we inherit our looks. The photo is of Queen Victoria and her son on his wedding day. The term Hanoverian eyes means bulging eyes, and again, this phenomenon is caused by a lack of soft tissue support by the maxilla, which is rotated. I already explained the illusion of a large nose.


In the picture below (enhanced by AI), you can see 6 generations of men, all ancestors of the guy in a blue shirt (bottom left). The somewhat funny thing is that none of them were raised on a tough-food diet. And still, no matter how hard I try to explain the real reason behind their appearance, people will always blame genetics.


I believe introducing Mark Zuckerberg is pointless. People call him an alien, lizard and so on, but why? It is his adenoid face that is responsible for his appearance. When you take a look at his sisters, you can see they both have slanted occlusal planes, just like he does. Also, notice the illusion of big noses. To keep it simple - they all grew up on a soft-food diet.


The next example is Rowan Atkinson, known for his portrayal of Mr. Bean. People were astounded after finding out his daughter looks nothing like him. Well, the reason for that is simple. Lily doesn‘t have an adenoid face like Rowan does - she was raised on a tough-food diet. Another proof that genes do not work like you would expect.


Do you like DOGS? I think you do. Most people do. How would you feel if these negative changes in appearance and function were happening to your dog? It wouldn’t feel right, would it? Well, it has been happening to dogs for quite some time now; you just never realized it.
In these pictures, you are able to see a bull terrier, a beautiful dog breed. Or at least it used to be... "But Kay, these changes are a result of SELECTIVE BREEDING. There are alterations in the genome of these dogs." Again, genes are not directly responsible for this type of change in the appearance of these dogs. 
Notice the occlusal plane in the modern bull terrier. Is it horizontal? No, it is slanted because of the rotated maxilla. Just like in humans. 


Take a good look at the second picture. 
The mandibular ramus and prominent masseters are pretty much non-existent in the modern dog, compared to his "former" self.

 
Dogs cannot sweat because their fur is too thick; in order to cool down, they pant. Panting allows fluid to evaporate from the lining of their airways and the tongue. If mouth-breathing was truly responsible for adenoid faces, don't you think every dog would have an adenoid face?
Also, dogs age differently than humans. From the day we are born, we have years before we finish the process of puberty, and the ossification of our bones is complete. Dogs do not have these years; therefore, the window of opportunity for a positive change in their skulls is minimal, if any. 
What else did you notice about the bull terrier? I am sure you can see the difference in its posture. While the predecessor, the "original" bull terrier, used to have a normal, great-looking posture, take a look at the modern version. The dog compensates. Take notice of the head being tilted upward, together with the forward posture of its neck and the entire body
Now you know that adenoid faces do not affect only us humans but also monkeys, dogs, and other animals as well. A lot of times, you’ll see owners of these dogs saying that their dog has no issues at all; he acts like every other normal dog. These people are ignorant of the harsh truth.

SEX HORMONES (TESTOSTERONE) and GROWTH HORMONE

Many people believe that when a boy/man has a recessed face, he has low levels of testosterone. This is caused by the misconception that testosterone is responsible for making the jaw and also the chin larger - in other words, making the person more "masculine". In reality, it's just another nonsensical myth. We talked about fitness influencer David Laid, and now we will talk a bit more about bodybuilding in general. In the images below, you can see two brothers, both of whom are bodybuilders. The older brother, Mike Mentzer, and the younger brother, Ray Mentzer. 
Both of them have great physiques, almost identical, and you can say that their testosterone level is definitely not on the lower side (regardless of it being exogenous) and it never was - their somatotypes would look totally different from each other if one of the brothers had had lower testosterone growing up. Mike and Ray are prime examples of how, despite having similar genes, the faces of siblings can look diametrically different (Ray’s face is longer and more convex). 
So when it’s not genetics or a low testosterone level, what is it? Well, from their faces, you can deduce that Mike used to eat a lot of tough foods growing up, and Ray, on the other hand, preferred to eat softer foods, not knowing it would have adverse consequences. 
Remember: It is not TESTOSTERONE, which makes the face square. It’s the MASTICATORY MUSCLES.



On the same note, when you compare the faces of Vin Diesel (who has an adenoid face) and, e.g., Brie Larson, would you say that Brie has higher testosterone levels and is more masculine than Vin? If you believe in the "LOW TESTOSTERONE LEVELS" THEORY, you would. Of course, it's nonsense, whether you want to admit it or not. The same goes for Adam Driver and Penelope Cruz in the second picture. 
Sex hormones (testosterone, estrogen) only affect the DENSITY of our bones. Not their shape, not their size, not the direction of their growth. It is safe to say that sex hormones have no part in the development of the jaws.

Growth hormone (GH) is the only hormone capable of making the jaw bigger. But this hormone cannot fix the downswing of someone’s face. In this image, you can see the changes in the face of Zac Efron, who used growth hormone in order to get massive for his movie role. People speculated that behind this sudden change was surgery or other aesthetic procedures. Even Zac himself says that his masticatory muscles hypertrophied as a result of jaw surgery back in 2013. That is simply impossible. Zac is a perfect example of a person who is on a growth hormone cycle (notice the larger jaw, nose, and lips). Increased levels of GH in adulthood lead to a condition called acromegaly. Obviously, he will deny it, just like other actors who are on exogenous growth hormone (e.g. Chris Hemsworth).
 

In this picture, you can see a lady whose facial changes are a result of a brain tumor. This type of tumor is called a functional tumor because it can produce hormones. In this specific case, it produced increased amounts of growth hormone. This lady has an adenoid face, so would you say that the effects of GH changed that for the better? No, definitely not. So much for the hormone theories...


MOUTH-BREATHING

I think that nowadays, the mouth-breathing theory is the second most popular when it comes to adenoid faces, right after the theory involving our genes. It was made famous by an orthodontist/orthotropist, Dr. John Mew, and his son, Dr. Mike Mew (in the upcoming section, mewing will be discussed as well). The theory goes like this: When we breathe through our mouths, the tongue is not placed on the roof of the mouth, so it cannot support the weight of our maxilla, and due to gravity, the upper jaw collapses downward. This theory is just plain stupid. Gravity has no impact on the growth of the maxilla. Ronald Ead from YouTube channel JAWHACKS released a video about a mouth-breather's face, and this is how the person was depicted (see image). The occlusal plane is horizontal, which is never true. Every person with an adenoid face has a slanted occlusal plane (a "false exception" to this rule can be found in the "orthodontics" section). 


What makes me sad is that many doctors, besides John and Mike Mew, believe in this theory too. I had an internship with a certain ENT doctor in my country, and he believed in the mouth-breathing hypothesis as well. Little did he know that the child he examined and sent home could have been helped. Only if he wasn’t so naive. As long as medical professionals are not educated on this topic, the issue with adenoid faces is here to stay for a long time... 
I want you to remember that MOUTH-BREATHING IS ALWAYS A CONSEQUENCE of having an adenoid face, not its cause. Just because there is a correlation does not mean there is a causality.
But mouth-breathing isn’t just one simple term. People do not realize that there are different types. So far, no one has classified mouth-breathing. That’s why I will:
1) PRIMARY MOUTH-BREATHING
2) SECONDARY MOUTH-BREATHING

PRIMARY mouth-breathing means that there is an obstruction in the nasal passage of the patient, such as choanal atresia or edema of the nasal cavity due to inflammation. In order for him to breathe, he is forced to open his mouth. There is one interesting case of a boy who used to breathe normally through his nose, but when he was 14 years old, he received a gerbil as a present, was allergic to it, and turned into a mouth-breather. Even doctors say that it was the mouth breathing that changed his face for the worse:


But let me tell you what really happened. The fact remains - this boy was allergic to the gerbil, and this allergy has led to inflammation within his respiratory system. His nasal cavity ended up being edematous, together with the inner lining of his airways producing an increased amount of mucus. Obviously, breathing became difficult, and he opened his mouth in order to get more oxygen into his lungs. There is this stupid saying that "NOSE IS FOR BREATHING, MOUTH IS FOR EATING", and people stand by it because they understand nothing. When you cannot breathe through your nose, your only option is to breathe through your mouth, logically. This is a physiological mechanism; there‘s nothing wrong with it. However, when you have only one „hole“ for both breathing and eating, you are forced to make a compromise. Every single person who goes through this makes the same choice. He/she prefers breathing to eating. What’s the point of having a full belly when you suffocate? 
What really happened then? This kid had to breathe through his mouth for prolonged periods of time because his respiratory system wasn’t addressed by his doctors. Notice the size of his neck. It is thin, right? This shows you that in the "after" picture,  he was very skinny, meaning he did not eat (the double chin is just his skin, not adipose tissue). Why? Well, like I said, he preferred to breathe, not eat. Understand that breathing simultaneously while chewing/eating was impossible in his case. And whenever he did eat, he preferred soft foods. When the meal is soft, one doesn’t have to spend precious seconds chewing it that could otherwise be used for inhaling oxygen. Softer meals pass through the mouth a lot quicker than the tough ones.

SECONDARY mouth-breathing means that the person has already developed an adenoid face, and mouth-breathing is now one of the three compensatory mechanisms. Whenever you see a person with their mouth open, it is most likely due to this. 
Like I said before, in an adenoid face, the soft tissues located in between the mandibular body compress the upper airways; therefore, breathing becomes difficult.


To combat this situation, the affected person uses the aforementioned 3 types of compensation: 1) UPWARD HEAD TILT; 2) MOUTH-BREATHING; 3) FORWARD HEAD POSTURE. 
In certain cases, the afflicted has no other option than to leave his mouth open because his midface is so prolonged that the lower and upper lips physically cannot be kept together (lip incompetence). The elasticity of soft tissues is at its limit:



Mouth-breathing in general does have a couple of negative consequences, but affecting the development of our faces is not one of them. These implications include RECURRENT RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS and TOOTH DECAY. 
Tooth decay as a result of mouth-breathing is pretty much just theoretical. Oftentimes, there is a different underlying issue, and having a dry mouth as a result of mouth breathing is only a correlation. Dry mouth is a consequence of having reduced saliva secretion, which leads to a drop in pH inside the oral cavity. The inside of our mouths becomes acidic, and this may speed up enamel erosion. 
The main adverse ramifications of having your mouth open are recurrent respiratory infections. Breathing through the nose means 3 things. The inhaled air is PURIFIED, warmed, and moistened. In the mouth, there are no cilia that would clean the air from pathological microorganisms transmitted through it.

The adenoid face got its name because doctors noticed that kids with enlarged adenoids tend to develop this facial shape. A person with this issue cannot breathe through his nose and is forced to rely on mouth-breathing. Like I said, mouth breathing does not directly cause an adenoid face; it is just a myth, a correlation. So, can the removal of adenoids improve the condition? Well yes, because the person will be able to breathe simultaneously while eating/chewing, so he won't be forced to make a compromise between the two. But when the said person only eats soft foods after a tonsillectomy, his situation will not improve at all. The end result is dependent on more factors than just surgical intervention.

Often times, people use the argument of a certain study on monkeys (Harvold et al., Primate Experiments on Oral Respiration), in which the noses of said primates were obstructed with nose plugs, and in time they developed long, adenoid faces. Everyone seems to refer to it, but no one really reads it... I did read the study, and let me tell you, as a med-student I definitely believe in EBM (evidence-based medicine), but this study should be treated as absolutely invalid. The researchers came to the conclusion that it was mouth-breathing that caused the recessed faces in monkeys, but that was only a correlation, not the cause. The real cause was the forced preference of breathing over eating through their mouths. In this study, there was no mention of how often these monkeys used to eat per day, what type of food they preferred, or their weight changes.

When talking about monkeys, let’s talk a bit about our chins. Humans are the only organisms with developed chins, and many people still aren’t sure why. Laymen speculate that it has a protective function, and that‘s why it is more prominent in men than in women. That is, of course, total nonsense. First, since when do men have larger chins than women? They do not and never did. Second, other species of the animal kingdom do not need the protection of their mouth/neck area? They do, very likely more than humans, and yet they did not develop chins.
So, why do humans have chins? You see, not every trait in our evolution has a specific function. It is not the chin that is prominent; rather, it‘s another illusion. During evolution, the middle third of the human skull (midface) rotated inwards, compared to, let’s say, a chimpanzee (see image), which has a protruding middle third of its skull/face. 


In one of his YouTube videos, Dr. Flutter talks about the children you see in this image below (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVjMgVClyPA&list=PLX3oLVFIruG9W8w29zyRqnOW3J_K9-vWb&index=7), saying that the kid with his mouth open (red circle) will have crooked teeth and the rest of the children will have perfectly straight teeth. That is nonsense. I put 2 kids out of all of them in a green circle – these 2 children are relatively good-looking. All the remaining kids have adenoid faces. Of course, not everyone has the same degree of maxillary rotation (facial convexity, downswing). Notice, especially the ones in yellow circles. The child at the top has only his eyes visible, and still you can see that both of these kids have absolutely no support from the rotated maxilla (they have "Hanoverian eyes"). 
The majority of these children appear to be sad, and while they have every right to be due to flooding in that area, the reason behind this false illusion of sadness are their adenoid faces. Yet, Dr. Flutter ignores it.



MEWING

Professor John Mew is an orthotropist who was one of the first to propose that malocclusion is not a result of our genetics, as the majority of orthodox orthodontists believed and sadly still do. Orthotropists, just like orthodontists, treat jaw issues and malocclusion, but with a completely different approach. Orthodontists use braces and tooth extraction as a method of achieving space within the oral cavity so that, in the end, the patient can have straight teeth. In other words, orthodontists treat the SYMPTOMS of malocclusion.
Orthotropists, on the other hand, use a more holistic approach, knowing that malocclusion does not have any genetic background whatsoever, and instead of treating symptoms, they address the UNDERLYING CAUSE.
Rather than using braces, orthotropists encourage change in patients’s habits and use removable appliances, such as palate expanders, in order to create more space in the patient's mouth via growth of the facial bones.
Below is the depiction of cranial changes, according to the orthotropic premise. You see that the shape of the skull's base (in a red circle) changed over time. That is incorrect. Only the maxilla grows in a rotational manner, and its movement subsequently causes rotation in the mandible. The base of the skull is not affected! Furthermore, the jaw joint is a fixed point. It does not move; it only serves as an "axis" for the mandibular rotation (we already talked about the 1st and 2nd rotational points...). 


Recession of the zygomatic bones, and therefore the orbits, may appear as well, as these are in direct contact with the maxillary bone:

So you are probably asking, is "mewing" the way? The answer is yes and no. In order to understand my explanation better, first you must know what mewing actually is. People think, that mewing means they have to push their tongue against the roof of their mouth, and this will lead to the forward growth of their face... That is not what mewing means. It is not the strength of our muscular tongue that holds it against the palate. It is vaccuum. And still, like I said before, in order to reverse the rotation of the maxilla, one must consistently apply repetitive dynamic effort, not static. Only orthodontic appliances are capable of altering the position of bones with constant static forces. Neither the tongue nor the masticatory muscles can exert forces of this magnitude for a prolonged period of time without fatigue (that is why you will achieve changes through chewing but not through clenching or mewing). And even then, there is no orthodontic appliance that would be capable of achieving the rotational upswing of the jaws. 
So, is mewing going to help you in terms of positive face development? Yes, but only if you are a FETUS or an INFANT. You see, in the womb, the fetus constantly swallows the surrounding amniotic fluid, and this swallowing motion is a preventative measure against the maxillary rotation. Similarly, the diet of an infant is milk (a liquid), and that means more swallowing with the tongue, which is swiping across the palate. Feeding a baby with a spoon or cup before they are about 28 months old disrupts their natural tongue posture. 
I will slightly digress here. While extracting milk from the mother's nipple, the vaccuum is created by the baby‘s tongue being pressed against the palate with every swallow. But when the child is being fed from a bottle instead, this vaccuum isn’t created by the tongue but by BUCCINATOR MUSCLES; this leads to constriction of the child's dental arches (and also both of the jaws) from the side-to-side diameter and crooked teeth. 
Once the baby becomes a toddler, it‘s usually no longer being breastfed, and on top of that, the bones of its skull are not as malleable. The big mistake that many parents make is thinking that their child is still weak at this point and chewing tough food would be problematic. Remember, children need to chew tough food as soon as their first teeth erupt. If not, the maxilla will start rotating downward. Another set of examples of kids on a soft-food diet can be seen below:


In the first picture, the kid looks just like his mother; it must be genetics, right? Wrong! You know better now. When she was young, the mother was on a soft food diet; therefore, now she has an adenoid face. Chances are that she cooks the same meals for her kid as the ones she used to eat at his age.
In the second picture, you see Natalie Portman with her son, who has an adenoid face. How can a beautiful woman like her pass genes for a recessed face onto her son? Do you still believe it‘s genetics? Does that mean Natalie is a bad mother, not wanting the best for her kid? I am definitely not trying to imply that here. In every picture with her family, she looks like a proud mother who always tries to do her best. But lack of knowledge leads to unforeseen outcomes, just like in this case.
So, to summarize, toddlers should already be on a tough-food diet. The tongue isn’t really going to do much at this age; instead, the masseters take over its function. By now, you already know that when a person is an older child, an adolescent, or an adult, mewing will not do any good in terms of the proper development of facial bones. But still, it will prevent you from snoring and make your face look sharper. Positioning the tongue on the roof of the mouth lifts the hyoid bone and the "double chin" or "turkey neck" skin with it. This reveals the jawline - the soft tissues wrap tightly around the mandible.
Take-home message for parents: Do not tell your kids to chew their food. Instead, make sure their diet consists mostly of tough foods, so they have no other choice but to chew. It’s pointless to say, „Chew the minced meat!“ when there is nothing to chew on. In order to encourage chewing, try to eliminate the use of a table knife. And talk to your kid in detail, just like I explain here. Children older than 5 years of age are smart! Know that. 
Do not forgetIn order to have a good-looking face, you have to use the teeth the way they are meant to be used. Molars for chewing; incisors and canines for biting and pulling. 
During MASTICATION, we naturally pass the bolus of food around in the mouth, so don't center your attention too much on its positioning. Focus on the contraction of your masseters and the occlusal contact made with each bite. When you chew, visualize your mandible swinging like a hammer that hits the maxilla every time you bite down. 
In this image, you can see how one’s skull will look when the person chews their food (the occlusal plane is horizontal) but does not pull it with incisors and canines. Notice the illusion of a prominent chin. It is not large; instead, the midface isn’t brought forward enough:


One important thing that I cannot omit pertains to the topic of tooth extractions, specifically the WISDOM TEETH. There is one video on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8zHi391y1Y) in which the dentist says that the function of our wisdom teeth is to replace a missing molar, and people nowadays have better dental care than in the past, so molars falling out isn’t really an issue. In his opinion, wisdom teeth are redundant for modern-day humans. For the love of God, I can't figure out how senseless you need to be to believe in such a stupid theory, let alone come up with it. There is a reason we have wisdom teeth, and their function definitely isn‘t replacing missing teeth. Wisdom teeth are just like other molars; they only erupt as the last ones. 
Modern humans often don't have the necessary space for all of their teeth (the reason is explained right below the following set of images); therefore, wisdom teeth cannot erupt normally and usually become impacted, which may cause a bunch of issues for the patient. If wisdom teeth do cause issues, sadly, they need to be extracted. But, when you have a child or young teenager as a patient, promoting a tough-food diet (and so encouraging mastication) is the right call. Chewing at this age can reorientate the jaws, thus creating space for the wisdom teeth to grow into. In these cases, and especially if the teeth do not cause any trouble, extraction is indicated only by a fool! This goes not only for the wisdom teeth but for the remaining teeth as well (mainly the PREMOLARS, as these are getting extracted most often).
Regarding the teeth eruption, you have for sure seen x-ray scans in which people have one or multiple teeth positioned in weird places within their jaws. Here’s an example (notice the patient’s tooth in her chin):

Again, the reason behind this does not lie in our genes. In these pictures, you see what every child’s skull looks like. You can see the permanent teeth being formed while the deciduous teeth are still in place.

As a child chews every day, the lower jaw grows larger and both jaws retain their proper orientation (without rotation/downswing), providing space for all of the permanent dentition. 
A) If the child doesn't chew frequently, the maxilla rotates downward and backward - this causes subsequent rotation in the mandible, which in turn becomes RELATIVELY SMALL (it's only orientated in a different way instead of being truly small) - in this case, it is not mandibular hypoplasia.
B) But if the child does not chew at all, the mandible will not grow; it becomes ABSOLUTELY SMALL = mandibular hypoplasia (underdevelopment), micrognathia
And when there is no space for the permanent teeth to grow into, they remain "stuck" in these abnormal positions within the bone.

I also feel the need to mention the existence of a Mewing app that you can find in the Google Play Store. In this app, you will come across a bunch of tongue exercises that should, in time, turn you into a more attractive person. But think about it. Hunters-gatherers, who had beautiful-looking skulls and therefore faces, probably did not sit around the fire every evening and practice some tongue-twisters or tongue-stretches. It even sounds foolish. Instead, they used to eat a lot of tough foods and therefore chewed very frequently. That is the reason behind their perfect skulls. 
You may have noticed their teeth are worn down. That is a result of them using their teeth as tools for leather processing, along with the extremely intense and frequent mastication of fibrous and hard foods.


On the note of good-looking skulls, here is the skull of a soldier who died in the Battle of Visby (1361). Focus on the horizontal occlusal plane and straight teeth. From these findings alone, you can deduce with 100% certainty that this soldier was a good-looking person. 
On top of that, his teeth are porcelain-white with no sign of tooth decay, meaning the teeth were properly mineralized when he was a kid. If you assume it was his impeccable dental hygiene, think again!

BEING UGLY

An adenoid face may also have a negative psychological impact on the affected person. On Youtube, you can find a video of a guy in the picture below. Give it a look; he explains how he feels (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n5nOEJtrYA):


The saddest thing is that none of that is his fault. It is not his genes that he can blame for his looks. It is something else. Someone, else. His miserable, negligent doctors. Their inactions led to all of the suffering that this man had to go through his entire life. Doctors, who are getting paid for being smarter than the rest, who have the power to turn a child’s life around 180 degrees for the better. And yet they failed. And they still keep on failing...
Speaking of labeling someone as ugly, there is a funny paradox to be seen in the case of Ousmane Dembele, a French football player who sneered at a certain Asian man for his appearance. (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JzYtNz8o7S4). Dembele himself has a recessed, adenoid face and laughs at the other person for looking just like he does? Bit strange, but so be it. Somewhat absurd reality is that a lot of people tease those with adenoid faces, not realizing they themselves have one too.


WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN 

In the following images, you can see examples of actresses and actors with adenoid faces and also representations of what they could have looked like if they chewed tough food in childhood. A simple rotation...and how much it can change people...


ACTORS AS CHILDREN

Let’s take a look at actors Adam Driver and Timothee Chalamet. Both of these men were good-looking as young children. As time went on, they did not chew tough food, and their faces became adenoid. Notice the second rotational point in adult Timothee’s mandible.



ORTHODONTICS

In this section, we will talk about braces and palate expanders. You already know that adenoid faces oftentimes come with malocclusion or teeth crowding. But, as you also know, not everybody who wears braces has an adenoid face. On the contrary, they may be very good-looking people. In this case, the tooth crowding has a different origin. 
While in adenoid faces, the crowding is caused by the dental arches of both jaws getting relatively smaller in front-to-back diameter (anatomically, in a sagittal plane, marked RED), in good-looking people, the dental arches are getting constricted in side-to-side diameter (anatomically, in a transverse plane, marked GREEN). A person with an adenoid face has RELATIVELY SMALL dental arches in sagittal diameter, and a good-looking person’s dental arches are constricted in transverse diameter due to overused BUCCINATOR MUSCLES. Their overuse may be from frequent drinking through a straw, drinking infant formula from a bottle instead of being breastfed, prolonged thumb-sucking, and also eating soft foods. When the food is soft, we have a tendency to stuff our mouths full with it, as if we were trying to simulate the feeling of chewing, but by doing so, it is the buccinators that are getting engaged, not the masticatory muscles.


When an already good-looking person wears braces, their face is not going to significantly change throughout the duration of the orthodontic treatment. 
But people with adenoid faces who wear braces will come out significantly altered (in most cases). At first glance, it seems like a positive change, but in reality, it is irreversible damage to one’s face, even though the teeth may look perfect. 
Take a look at the x-ray scan below. What do you see? A horizontal occlusal plane, but in a person with an adenoid face. Be aware that when someone has a horizontal occlusal plane together with down-swung jaws, the horizonatal occlusion is always a result of orthodontic treatment with braces (this is the "false exception" mentioned before). Originally, this man did, in fact, have a slanted occlusal plane. After the orthodontic treatment, not even jaw surgery will correct his down-swung jaws. On the second picture, you see him after the jaw surgery, but the results are not even close to satisfactory in terms of aesthetics, as the face is still adenoid. And in terms of function, his airways remain compressed, even though there is a slight improvement. So, what does this mean for children? Once the braces lift the slanted occlusal plane into horizontal position (while leaving the lower jaw down-swung), chewing is no longer going to help the child in terms of reversing the facial downswing, no matter the age of the kid (one cannot achieve an upswing of the jaws without achieving the upswing in the occlusal plane - so if the occlusal plane is already in an up-swung position because of braces, altering the positioning of the jaws at that point is impossible).

Let’s take a look at the transformation of actor Michael B. Jordan. He used to have an adenoid face when he was young (notice the long midface "before" the orthodontic treatment in the third image). Braces pulled his dentition upward, so now he does have a horizontal occlusal plane and a shortened middle third of his face, but the mandible remains in the same, unchanged position. And while he may look more attractive now (thanks to the shortened midface), his skull is still recessed, just like in the case of the patient above.




Your second option, if you do not wish to be treated with braces, is a palate expander. There are 2 types of palate expanders
1) TOOTH-BORNE expander (removable; used during the night while the patient sleeps)
2) BONE-BORNE expander (non-removable; attached directly to the bone via screws)
The first type makes your palate wider by pushing on the teeth; it is used only in children as their sutures are not fully closed. 
The second type widens the jaws by directly expanding the bone tissue (e.g. MSE). 
Just like with braces, there is a downside; therefore, be extra cautious if you opt for this way of treatment:


Cant means that if the palate expander is constructed poorly, the maxilla (and consequently the mandible) will be expanded diagonally (instead of horizonatally), and this will lead to an asymmetrical occlusal plane (smile) and face, just like in my case (see image below). Take note of the shape of my nose. It looks crooked from this point of view, but it is not. My right nostril is saggy only because it doesn't have the anatomical support of the hard tissues (maxillary bone, dental arches), unlike my left nostril. All a result of a defective palate expander...

Here is a comparison of another person's appearance before and after the treatment with a palate expander. Judge for yourself - would you undergo this treatment if you knew about the risk? MSE itself is a remarkable appliance, but only if its construction meets the highest level of quality control. Further down is an example of a faultily constructed Maxillary Skeletal Expander. The screw that facilitates the expansion isn't parallel to the dental tool, representing the true horizontal line.

You can see something similar happening to the nose of the patient below. Her eyes, nose, and ears are not asymmetrical; only the maxilla and the mandible. In her case, the cant wasn't caused by a palate expander but by unilateral condylar resorption / unilateral condylar hyperplasia, yet the mechanical principle remains the same.

But negatively affecting one’s appearance isn't the only problem. There are going to be functional issues as well - these will affect not only the skull but the entire skeleton. At the SKULL'S LEVEL, asymmetrical occlusion has a negative impact on one of the temporomandibular joints. Chewing in such cases elicits agonizing pain, and over time, this pain may become present not only when the person chews but at rest as well.
During my teenage years, I did not manage to fix my adenoid face for this exact reason. At the time, it didn't even occur to me that my orthodontist was treating me with a faulty device. She failed to warn me about the possibility that a palate expander may ruin my face and cause years of misery.

Let’s move on to the SKELETAL ISSUE. It is extremely important to have the occlusal plane horizontal in terms of aesthetics and function, but not only in the sagittal plane but also in the transverse plane. If the occlusal plane is canted, the affected person is forced to compensate - the occlusal plane always has to be perpendicular to the spine; therefore, the person tilts his/her head to one side. 


You see this compensation in people with asymmetrical eyes. Except, their eyes are not asymmetrical; it’s just the skull being tilted to the side because of an asymmetry in their occlusal plane (examples: me, the female patient above, the male patient below - He doesn't look like this because he inherited his appearance. There are no genes for asymmetry. His doctors failed to treat him properly, and this is the result - adenoid face and canted occlusion.).
When your head tilts to one side, the scalene muscles on the other side of your neck will become stretched. If this continues for long periods of time, the affected muscles will become inflamed because they have to endure a lot of strain from this atypical posture. Inflammation then leads to a shortening of the muscles in the form of a spasm or a contracture. 


Shortened scalenes elevate the first rib, which compresses structures above it - this condition is known as FIRST RIB DYSFUNCTION (m. scalenus anterior and m. scalenus medius both insert into the first rib), and it is accompanied by chronic, unbearable pain. Notice my asymmetrical posture in the image (elevated right shoulder and nipple). I am completely relaxed, it’s not that I am purposely raising my shoulder.



Other appliances used by orthodontists/orthotropists that are worth noting are AGGA and Y-PLATE EXPANDER. Both of these appliances push on the front teeth and move them forward. That is not what you want. At this point, you already know that the maxilla is never deficient in its size (in the front-to-back diameter). It is only rotated. And pushing the teeth forward will help with nothing except making matters worse – you are not even pushing the maxillary bone forward, just the teeth. The patient‘s teeth will end up displaced and may fall out due to a lack of support from the bone (the teeth will be literally pushed out of the bone tissue).

AGGA:

Y- PLATE EXPANDER:

Once you are irreversibly damaged by an orthodontist, you will spend the rest of your life trying to figure out what is behind your jaw and body problems, and not a single medical professional will be able to help you. Moreover, they will deny the existence of your issues, look down on you, mock you, and label you as a psychologically unstable and delusional perfectionist. Jaw problems are extremely easy to cause and extremely difficult to fix. And even then, it is only a patch-up job. Innocent people suffer, and the punishment for the perpetrators will never come...

So, remember
Adenoid faces are a result of natural (normal, physiological) rotational growth of the maxilla, which is not antagonized by resistance. 
Bad habits are behind other jaw issues but play zero role in the formation of an adenoid face - the facial downswing is natural. 

Maxilla is never underdeveloped (small, deficient) in the front-to-back diameter; it's only rotated.
 
PEOPLE ARE NOT UGLY, THEY ARE JUST POOR. Not in the sense that they can't afford plastic surgeries, but because they cannot afford food. They have nothing to eat, nothing to chew on. Not a single good-looking person grew up poor; remember that! Good-looking people did not win any genetic lottery. They were just fortunate enough to eat (chew) tough food every day.
Not everyone who has an adenoid face starved as a child, but everyone who starved (for a long time period!) as a child has an adenoid face. Next time somebody tries to tell you their life story about childhood "hardship", just look at the shape of their skull. You will be able to recognize whether they are lying or not.
There is a video of Billie Eilish, who mocks people for their appearance, whereas in reality she is just a spoiled, rich kid laughing at the food-deprived people. While the reason behind their appearance may be poverty or a painful health condition, instead of being helped, they serve as an amusement or blind-hatred target for others (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMrxwiTWaXo).
 
There is no "silent epidemic of mouth-breathing", as the doctor says in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKET_5e-Jls). Children in the video do not eat tough food; their chewing muscles are not being used; therefore, the maxilla naturally rotates downward and backward.

JAW SURGERY as a treatment for an adenoid face and obstructive sleep apnea 

In adults, surgery is unfortunately the only known method capable of changing adenoid faces for the better. That is because, in adulthood, bones are no longer capable of active growth. The growth is only passive, meaning that the bone can repair itself after it gets damaged (fracture, palate expander, etc.), but only to a certain extent. The maxillary growth sites aren't active anymore (that is also a reason why the formation of an adenoid face in adults is impossible). On top of that, the malleability of bones is questionable, as the ossification is complete. Those who say you can grow bone after the age of 20 (more or less) are desperately naive; it is no longer growth we are talking about, only repair.
So, we know that adenoid faces are rotated faces. Sadly, even in the 21st century, jaw surgeons (and doctors in general) are decades behind with their knowledge about the natural development of human skulls. 
Here you can see the results of people who underwent this complicated type of surgery, but the outcomes were unsatisfactory from both an aesthetic and functional standpoint. The reason being, that the jaws were moved forward but weren‘t rotated (the x-ray scans are separate examples of different people) - notice that the changes in their faces are minimal:





Why do jaw surgeons not rotate the jaws then? First, they lack knowledge of the mechanism behind adenoid faces. When you don’t know the cause of a health condition, you are guaranteed to fail in its treatment. Second, it is infinitely easier to not rotate the jaw and just move it forward by a couple millimeters (a simple bimaxillary advancement). The contact surface after the osteotomy will be larger, the patient will heal quicker, and surgeons are going to get paid the same amount of money. Why bother? Of course, after the procedure, the patient's condition will not improve much. Maybe it will not get better at all. 
 
Finding a surgeon who performs jaw surgery with counter-clockwise rotation is difficult. I refrain from providing the names of the surgeons behind the jaw surgeries you are going to see in the upcoming images, as I do not want to advertise their services. Always do your own research before you decide to go "under the knife"!
In the x-ray scan above, take notice of the changes in the patient's nose and lips despite not being worked on. In the "after" image, all of the soft facial tissues are properly supported by the jaw bones, unlike in the "before" image.
Genioplasty (mentoplasty, chin advancement) was added because significantly flared incisors (a result of tongue-thrust) had a risk of falling out, and it also improved the overall aesthetics. Note that simply moving the chin segment forward with genioplasty alone is almost always insufficient, since the chin itself is never deficient, only rotated along with the mandible!


Pay attention to the man in the last picture - the illusion of a sad/grumpy face is gone after the surgery with the rotation of both jaws. Support of the soft tissues, provided by the maxilla, is behind this "return" to normal, neutral facial expression at rest, which makes him look a lot more "congenial", in contrast to what he looked like before the surgery. 
 
When the surgeon chooses to rotate the jaws, the separated segments of maxilla (being put together again, but at a different angle) now have a reduced surface of contact points. This means that the patient will be a lot longer on a liquid diet and, later on, even longer on a soft food diet. He will not be able to chew solid food for more than a year. If the patient does not take the doctor’s advice, his bones will not fuse together properly.
There are anatomical limitations as well. The jaw surgeon cannot rotate the maxilla and shorten it by shaving off a little bit of bone tissue (depicted by the letter F), even though performing the surgery in this manner would produce the most aesthetically pleasing results. This type of procedure is called maxillary impaction. After cutting off the wedge-shaped piece of the maxillary bone, the size of the nasal cavity becomes reduced. This may lead to a congested, stuffy nose.


Even though the aesthetic outcome is going to be relatively balanced after the procedure (it will never be as good as it would have been naturally), the midface will still remain a bit long, which may not be very pleasant for a large number of patients.


The main advantage of this rotational jaw surgery is that it addresses airway compression. Notice the diameter of the airways before and after the surgery; the difference is day and night. So, the definitive treatment for OSA is jaw surgery with counter-clockwise rotation and bimaxillary advancement instead of long-term CPAP usage, because it focuses on the real cause:


Know that the great results published on the websites of maxillofacial surgeons do not automatically equal amazing results in your case! The case of every patient is individual and will be approached in that way. 


People think that one should not choose the "path" of jaw surgery, as many consider it to be plastic surgery. It is a reconstructive surgery; you are not changing the facial shape as plastic surgery does. You are restoring the original shape of a human skull (if done properly, of course). You will see and hear comments like: "Wait till his/her kids are born; they will hate the parent!" I already explained that genes dictate very little of our appearance and do not affect the morphology of the jaws. Other comments may be of this type: "God/nature created us this way; we shouldn’t change it." That’s the opinion of a person living a blissfully ignorant and easy life.

Jaw surgery is an expensive and relatively traumatizing procedure. On top of that, there is no guarantee of a desired aesthetic or functional outcome! So if there was a way to resolve this situation nonsurgically at a young age, wouldn't you at least give it a try? It's not about looking like a celebrity - it is about looking and functioning like your true self.
 
That would be all about ADENOID FACES. I hope you learned something.

The reason I wrote this article is because I care. I want you to avoid making unwise choices (that initially seem right) and inevitably paying the highest price for nothing. I do not want innocent kids to suffer because of the way modern medicine is currently designed, with its lack of progression and understanding. And that's coming from a medical student...

My goal is not to promote any artificial standards created by the "beauty industry" that are being forced upon people of all ages, and especially upon the younger generations. I advocate for a way to naturally achieve healthy positioning of the jaws in children and adolescents. This ultimately allows for better posture and breathing, lowers the incidence of TMD and malocclusion, and simultaneously improves one's looks. Appearance and health go hand in hand; you cannot have one without the other. The majority of the population fails to recognize this. There are many who deny the possibility of achieving changes in the skull naturally and instead rely on braces and surgery, thinking that we have no control over our appearance. And the reasoning they provide is always the same - genetics, without even trying to elaborate further and justify their claims. I, on the other hand, am offering you a different viewpoint on the entire matter, opposing the idea that some unexplainable, innate forces have control over our development. 

You are most likely asking yourself why it is me you should trust, as I have not conducted any extensive research studies or written any academic textbooks. And you have every right to think this way. I did not publish anything substantial. And yet, having lived with an adenoid face enabled me to comprehend this topic more precisely than most people ever will. I was able to compare all of the findings I came across, not exclusively in the studies, with my own life and deduce what is truly correct and what is just an erroneous theory (such as the study by Harvold et al., Primate Experiments on Oral Respiration). My experience, combined with my formal education, should be more than enough to persuade you that I, in fact, do mean well. The hypothesis I present is not true because I say it is. It is the logic in my statements and the proof I provide that make it undeniable. Still, feel free to form your own opinion...

...in the end, the choice of whether to believe me or not isnt yours to make. I know you will trust me. You can only choose when. And it’s either now or after the damage gets done to you or your child. Pray it won’t be too late by then.

I may be a fool to believe that a tremendous change can be made. But I do. That is why I am giving you what I was never given. When I was a kid, I didn’t have any smart person beside me whom I could ask for help. No one cared about what was happening to me. I will not make the same mistake with you. Even though I am never going to meet you, I will still be able to help you. That is if you let me. If you choose to take my advice. Back then, there was no educational blog for me to read. Now there is - for you.
You are getting a chance to make everything right. Don’t waste this chance!


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  1. Very informative article.
    If I put my teenage son (15) through a rigorous hard food diet, would it be too late to see any changes, even if minimal?

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    1. At 15 years of age, the changes are still possible without a shadow of a doubt. If he stays consistent, he will be able to reverse the adenoid face.

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    2. Comments won’t work so I’ll ask here, are changes still possible after getting 4 teeth removed, braces (for nearly a year, and having an 11mm overbite? I’m 14 years old and a girl so I’m pretty sure my facial development stops soon, I’ve progressed by learning to swallow correctly and just barely mew properly, but I can’t breathe when I actually mew, I’ve been to many ENT’s over the past 12 years and it’s the same thing about my adenoids being removed over again, it’s frustrating, I’m gonna ask my orthodontist to take off my braces and to give me a palate expander, and when I see the 1000th ENT this week I’ll speak to them about my airway to see what they could do, but it feels like it’s too late? I have the same side profile as u next to the pic of u as a baby, so use that as an example maybe, p.s I’m pretty sure I spoke to u on Reddit recently but the dms won’t work so I checked out this article u referred me to?.

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    3. As a 14-year-old, you can still alter the orientation of your jaws - age isn't an issue here. I am unaware about the extent of the "harm" done by braces and tooth extractions in your case, but if your occlusal plane is still slanted, chewing can still reverse the down-swung jaws.

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  2. Excellent text, greetings from Brazil, I´m 20 years old and I have been studying looksmax for many years by now. I was a very beautiful child until I was 9 years old when, due to my "rabbit teeth," my parents decided to put braces on me. The damn dentist who only cared about money unnecessarily prolonged the treatment for 6 years, which resulted in me becoming a severe class 2 patient. The constant pain I feel and my terrible appearance made me study more about mewing and orthodontics. I usually keep pulling my chin forward 24/7 to maintain a less subhuman appearance and look normal while I can't afford the surgery. I have a very small palate and airways, in addition to bimaxillary protrusion with clockwise rotation. What other treatment do you think could help expand my palate, considering that without pulling my chin forward, my tongue doesn't fit in my mouth? Sorry for my bad english.

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    1. You can try researching information regarding appliances such as MSE and MSDO, as these are used for the expansion of both the maxilla and the mandible in adults.

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  3. at 18 would there be any way that you could reverse the anenoid face with chewing to hypertrophy. btw, very good article.!

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    1. There is no guarantee for a change at that age.

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  4. what are you thoughts on thumbpulling and being able to expand the pallete that way. is only way to expand it by chewing hard/?

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    1. Chewing will not expand the palate in side-to-side diameter. Thumbpulling is a nonsense.

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    2. so, how would you epxand it at a later age for a bigger side-to-side diamteer?

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    3. Only with a bone-borne expander, such as MSE.

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    4. but the problem with MSE is it's a whole proccess cause when you expand the upper pallete then the upper pallete will be much bigger than the lower pallete and lower jaw. So, won't you need surgery to then make the lower jaw bigger cause the proportions will be ruined?

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    5. MSDO is an appliance designed for the expansion of the lower jaw, but by using it, one runs the risk of damaging both temporomandibular joints.

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  5. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0889540605800526

    Mandibular growth was found to be statistically significant for the age periods of 16 to 18 years and 18 to 20
    years. Growth from 16 to 18 years was greater than that from 18 to 20 years. Maxillary and mandibular growth
    were highly correlated at each age period. However, overall mandibular growth was approximately twice that of
    overall maxillary growth.

    thoughts? its not over for 18-19 aged

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    1. I never said it is over at that age. However one should not expect substantial difference after the age of 18-20.

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  6. Hey, this article is actually insane and mind-blowing. At first I was pretty skeptical, but you completely won me over cause it all made so much sense.

    I'm turning 20 in 4 months and I wanna ask you if you've made any improvements with chewing in early adolescence, and how many hours a day you recommend chewing.

    Again, good job on making this really good article and thank you for sharing it with us.

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    1. Thanks for the praise! As an adult (20 years old), you can expect only minimal changes, if any. Early adolescence is a different story, and that's not your case. No one will last a week looking at the clock while chewing; lifestyle alterations are necessary if one wishes to prevent/reverse the downswung jaws naturally (pretty much a complete change in diet). And sadly, it applies only to children and adolescents. Not adults.

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  7. I am 14, how much change can I see and what foods should I start chewing?

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    1. The consistency of your own approach will dictate the extent of the changes you will achieve. There is no telling.

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  8. Hey man, excellent and informative article. I just turned 17 in May. Do you think there is still hope for me if i chew hard foods and gum, or do you think i should look into jaw surgery when im in my 20s.

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    1. Thanks! There is no assurance that you will see radical changes at this age, although it is still worth trying. The jaw surgery results I added to my article are the best of the best, so do not rely on surgery, because most of the time it doesn't turn out as one wishes.

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  9. You claim that adult facial bones are unmalleable and unchangeable via muscle activity. How do you explain the fact that when an adult patient experiences a stroke and becomes paralyzed, we observe significant changes in facial skeletal form over time—most notably on the side of the face that is paralyzed?

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    1. We observe changes in the soft tissues due to facial nerve damage (n.VII). Please be so kind and post a link to an image/video of the skull's changes in a patient after a stroke.

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  10. Hi, first of all I just want to thank you. You are truly doing incredible work and it's really a shame that modern day medical professionals are so oblivious to this issue.
    One of my siblings is 15 years old and has an adenoid face. It's not likely that he can make a significant lifestyle change when it comes to eating harder food since our parents make all the meals we eat. Would it be possible to combat this issue with just mastic gum?

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    1. Hi, thank you. In such cases, tough chewing gums are the best alternative. Mastic gum is an excellent option, and on its own, it is more than enough. The scale of his results will depend solely on the consistency (intensity, frequency) of his approach.

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    2. Any suggestion on consistency and frequency of using Mastic Gum for my 6 and 8 year olds?

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  11. This was a fantastic read from top to bottom. I don't think I've ever come across an article this informative about this topic. The footer at the end really won me over and I truly think this is a very noble cause. My only query after reading this was -- wont chewing hypertrophy the masseter muscles causing a very bloated/wide look?

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    1. Thanks! The "bloated" appearance is not caused by masseter hypertrophy (in fact, this only makes the person more attractive, male or female), but by fat deposition in the face. Simultaneous hypertrophy of buccinators can also play a role.

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  12. Its remarkable how much time and effort has been put into this article. However, im still a bit sceptical. If u search on google "mason mount side profile" you can see that his mandible is downturned but he doesn't have that typical adenoid face look. His forward growth looks decent even though his jaw angle is very downward. You can't say that he looks like he has a recession. Why do you think that is?

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    1. Hmm, so what you are saying is, braces or Invisalign can allign jaws and lips even after puberty? How is that possible if jaw development is over by that age? And even if they do work, wont they just push the maxilla in, making it look even worse and more recessed? How come Michael B Jordan and Mason Mount look much better after orthodontic treatment? How does one figure out if they should go for braces or orthognatic surgery.. since the latter isn't possible to the best extent after braces.

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    2. Braces/Invisalign align the teeth (that can be done at any age), but they do not improve the jaw situation. Moving teeth through the bone remodels it, but not favorably. If a kid or an adult ends up with a horizontal occlusal plane (achieved by braces) but the jaws are still recessed, it's essentially game over. The jaws cannot be up-swung anymore, neither naturally nor with jaw surgery. Michael B. Jordan and Mason Mount look better because, in people with adenoid faces, braces do 2 things: 1) They shorten the prolonged midface (which is a big factor when judging someone's attractiveness, but braces do not achieve an upswing of the jaws; it's only the occlusion that is moved upward, not the entire jaw structure). 2) Braces widen the dental arches, which makes the smile wider, hence more attractive (and the face looks more pleasing as well because the soft tissues are better supported by the widened dental arches). The answer to your last question depends on many factors and cannot be answered easily. One's individual needs and issues have to be considered, and giving you a universal answer is unreasonable.

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  13. I am a P.T and this was a very thorough text. I have also studied this topic and often encourage hard chewing to my clients. Its heartbreaking to see young children with recessed jaws because of the neglect of the parents. An interesting thing I noticed which was not mentioned in this article was that most children who have an "adenoid face" also have slanted/recessed foreheads. Would love to hear about your insights on this. Do you think rotation and upswing of the jaws will also change the shape of the forehead or is some other factor at play? I have seen cases of children reversing their downswing, fixing their posture and having a straighter forehead.

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    1. I would also like to add that tough chewing is important not only in childhood but also throughout puberty and even in early twenties.. I have seen cases where children were good looking till 16-17 or even 18 but then became "unattractive" due to bad habits and soft junk foods. As mentioned in this article, maxillary growth is very rare and difficult after 20, so its important to make tough chewing a lifestyle. Let me know if u agree!

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    2. Thanks for reading my article. 1) I don't think it's a neglect of parents, but rather a lack of information (that should be provided by medical professionals); 2) slanted foreheads are only another illusion - take a look at the girl in the article who allegedly has "low-set ears". It seems that her forehead is also slanted, but that is only because she tilts her head upward. There is nothing wrong with the foreheads of these kids. 3) I do mention that mastication is important throughout childhood and also during puberty. Just look at the boy who was gifted a gerbil and then was marked as a "mouth-breather". In reality, he just stopped chewing for the entire duration of puberty. So chewing often as a child and then stopping at the beginning of adolescence is just as detrimental as not chewing in early childhood.

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  14. Realistically, till what age do u think people can expect noticeable results if they change their habits and diet? At what age would u suggest to not try and look into surgery, implants or other options. Great post btw, loads of value here.

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    1. Thanks for reading it! As I mentioned in the article, one can expect changes until the end of puberty (approximately 20 years of age). The sooner the afflicted person starts, the better. Understand that not only age is relevant but also the approach of the said individual (intensity, frequency, consistency). Because of that, there is no definitive answer that would apply to everybody.

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  15. I really appreciate all the information you provided in this article, I'm sure it will help a lot of teenagers/adolescents like it did for me. I wanted to share my short journey and the results on a hard food diet. I'm 14 right now and although I'm not unhappy at all with my jaw shape/jaw line whatever, I wanted to read this blog to learn some more, and it was worth it. Only after reading into this that I realized I could feel the second rotation point in my jawline, and it was rotated downwards a little bit. I realized it was only a matter of time before it became noticeable. I read this blog about three weeks ago, and I've applied its ideas to my life and noticed small but still noticeable changes. I got these changes through eating a ton of fruits and vegetables like cucumbers and stuff every morning, as well as tougher meats etc. My question for the author is what foods should I mainly focus on specifically? I only got to eat a lot of these foods because I'm currently on vacation and the hotels have a buffet haha. Thanks for this article it definitely will change my life. Sorry for rambling and typing so much but I hope you will give it a read, and for other people questioning it, give it a try before you doubt it.

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    1. Thanks for the encouraging words! I do not plan on giving examples of any tough foods, as these can be found easily through any search engine. However, the preparation of food matters more than the food itself - there is a difference between eating a steak and ground beef, yet fundamentally, it is the same food. Only preparation differs. I highly recommend investing in tough chewing gums, as these will save you money and not lead to an unwanted caloric surplus.

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  16. Hey, really nice article with precious info here. I have a question though, I had braces and now I’m wearing clear retainers nightly. Would my retainers and past braces treatment affect my gains from chewing?

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    1. If you are not an adult yet and your occlusal plane is still slanted (braces did not make it horizontal), changes are still feasible. Wearing a retainer shouldn't hinder the upswing achievable via chewing. 

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  17. Do you think one can have favourable jaw growth even after having a slight overbite? Also how do you think Sean O'pry has such amazing forward growth of his chin despite having a downturned mandible?

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    1. An overbite (deepbite) will most likely have to be addressed with an appliance; however, it doesn't limit the afflicted child/teen from achieving an upswing with mastication. Sean O'Pry doesn't have down-swung jaws at all + his oclusal plane is horizontal, as you can see in the linked image (https://stevenchu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/seanopry.jpg).

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    2. I understand. You're right Sean does seem to have a horizontal occlusional plane. So what I understand is that having a slight overbite is not a cause for concern with regards to jaw development and can be addressed with braces/some other appliances after facial development has taken place?

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    3. Class 2 division 2 malocclusion (deepbite, overbite) is a completely different jaw problem and has nothing in common with an adenoid face. Each of these issues has to be addressed separately. So, the answer is yes.

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  18. Hey, I found this article from a post on .org and I must say I didn't expect this much in depth information. The stuff here is deffo not half assed and the effort and time you put into this is commendable. I hope this post helps a lot of young guys and girls.

    I am still confused between the relationship of downswung jaws and recession. If you take a look at Syrianpsycho (K Shami), you will notice that his mandible is grown downward and he has a relatively longer face, however there doesn't seem to be any issue with his forward projection. Do some people naturally have a larger gonial angles? Or am I mistaken somehow?

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    1. Thank you! Great question - I was hoping someone would ask this. In this context, recession equals downswing. The same thing that happened to "Syrianpsycho" happened to David Laid, whom I have covered in the article. Both of them started chewing later on after already developing a down-sung face. Hence, after introducing tough foods to their diets, the maxilla didn't shorten as much as it would otherwise be if the adenoid face never developed in the first place. That is why I compared David Laid to Jeff Seid, and you can see that Jeff's gonial angle is more acute compared to David's. But, you also see that Olivia Dunne never developed down-swung jaws, and yet her gonial angle isn't as acute as Jeff's gonial angle (Jeff's ramus is longer). So why is that? It's because Jeff used to chew a lot more intensely (and frequently) when he was younger, unlike Olivia, who chewed just enough to prevent the downswing (intense mastication stimulates the growth of the ramus). Take a look at this linked image (https://imgur.com/gallery/skull-male-female-chewing-intensity-hAIy6e9). The skull above represents what happened to Jeff, and the skull below represents what happened to Olivia. These differences in the mandible have nothing to do with gender/sex hormones, but only with the intensity of chewing. I hope this covers your question.

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  19. Hey. First of all, great article, learnt a lot of things after reading this. I noticed that jude Bellingham has a downturned jaw but still looks great. Why do you think that is? Is it because the degree of downswing and recession is not too much? Or do some people just suit that particular face. I don't think Bellingham would look good with a squared jaw like jeff seid.

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    1. Also I know that the result will never be as great as it could have been if a child had been masticating intensely since childhood, but can reversal of adenoid face take place if a child starts intense and regular chewing in late adolescence.. around 17? Is a jaw similar to that of David Laid or K Shami a realistic goal at this age? My brother has an adenoid face but no health issue. Was hoping examples of these people would help him get motivated to make a change.

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    2. Thanks, that's great to hear! Regarding Jude Belingham, he does have down-swung jaws. I suspect he has had braces, and now you are looking at the same situation as I described on Michael B. Jordan. Braces improved his facial appearance (provided support for the lips and shortened his midface), but the lower jaw remained in an unchanged (down-swung) position. And in regards to the second question, you can still achieve changes at 17, but these may not be as major - it is individual in every person, so there really is no telling.

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  20. Hey man, I got another question for you. You must be familiar with Andrew and Tristan tate. Why is it that Tristan has good jaw growth but Andrew is recessed. I would assume their diet was similar considering they grew up in the same house. Most people say the difference is because Andrew mouth breathed during his kick boxing days.. but after reading this article, I can tell that thats not the case.

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    1. Tristan Tate does have a slightly recessed face (it's more visible in pictures where he is younger), but you are correct; Andrew's jaws are more down-swung than his. It's the same situation as described with the Mentzer brothers in the article (Mike was born only a couple of years earlier than Ray, and yet their faces are different). It's all about food preference. And just like you said, mouth-breathing doesn't cause adenoid faces.

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  21. Im 16 is chewing 2 or 3 hours a day enough and i saw a video of nero angelo saying chewing will increase gonial angle making it worse is this true? Thanks for this information

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    1. Chewing intensity will dictate whether that much time is enough or not - no one is capable of answering that query. Please post a link to the video you allude to.

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    2. https://youtu.be/yPZ-G1xxpXI?si=ChjmlXyBXoNk5aK-

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    3. Alright, so he says that when the masseters get stronger via chewing, these muscles then pull the cheekbones downward. That doesn't happen - it's impossible. He also says that clenching/chewing will form a deep antegonial notch. It will not. Antegonial notch is simply a second point of mandibular rotation (explained in the article) and is not created by masseter engagement. The majority of the information this guy provides is inaccurate, so if I were you, I would stay away from the content of this tryhard wannabe looksmaxxing guru. Chewing stimulates the growth of the ramus, making it longer, hence the mandibular angle becomes more acute.

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  22. One of the most important blog ever. I really wish this information was more mainstream and orthodontists actually gave this advice.

    You mentioned that poor posture is caused by an adenoid face and never the reverse. Does this mean that it isn't possible to correct posture using stretching exercises (like psoas stretches) and breathing exercises to fix rib flare which is often the underlying cause for forward head posture and APT.

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    1. I appreciate it! The exercises you mentioned are necessary in order to correct the posture, but if the cause (down-swung jaws) isn't addressed, the bad posture will most likely relapse, as the airways are going to remain compressed. What I meant is that having bad posture will not cause/worsen the downswing of the jaws.

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    2. Yeah, thats understandable but what about someone like me who is in his adulthood with an adenoid face. Is working on my posture pointless since itl relapse anyway? I dont think I want to get an invasive and painful jaw surgery since I never had any noticeable breathing problems.

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    3. It definitely isn't pointless, but keep in mind that your body will always try to find a way to compensate if the downswing in your case is severe. By performing certain stretches, you are alleviating the symptoms, but their true cause is left untreated.

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  23. Hello. just read the article. I've had Braces when i was 11 and took it off while 12, which left me with few years of retainers that i put on while asleep. Thing with my braces was that even though i had overbite, i didn't did any work on bite issues or 'fine tuning', i just did Stage one of braces about 12 months. Now, im 13 years old, will chewing hard foods frequently help even though i had braces? is there any other alternatives or anything? I got downswung jaw.

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    1. Hi. For the chewing to facilitate the upswing of the jaws, the occlusal plane has to be slanted. If braces have made your occlusal plane horizontal, chewing will not help you. Your age is not an issue, as you are still very young.

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  24. In general, do braces always positively change the appearance of a face? If not, what kind of adenoid face is worsened by braces and which kind is bettered. (Only talking from an aesthetic point of view as I have a downswung face similar to mason mount or Bellingham but no breathing or postural problems and deep bite teeth.)

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    1. Braces do not benefit anyone with an adenoid face (down-swung jaws). It may seem like they do, as the maxilla is shortened vertically, and then the teeth + the maxilla provide better support for the lips and the rest of the soft facial tissues, but the mandible isn't brought up (it remains down-swung), along with the maxilla and the occlusal plane. If you do have an adenoid face, you most definitely have breathing issues (people with down-swung jaws don't even realize they have problems because they compensate for the worsened airflow with the 3 compensatory types I mentioned in the article - most compensate by tilting their head upward, and this isn't something you are aware of as it is subconscious).

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  25. Good day to you man. This is an amazing piece of work!!!

    I am only 15, and while I don't have an adenoid face, I do have a malocclusion (specifically - deep bite.)

    I have heard a lot of people talk about Invisalign and how it doesn't cause as much pain as braces. Infact, my dentist told me that Invisalign will be sufficient for my teeth. Even so, im confused whether to go for it or stick to braces.

    Is there any downside to Invisalign ? Will it be just as effective as braces in fixing my teeth as well as shortening my maxilla and improving my lip allignment and soft tissues as u mentioned above for braces.

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    1. Also you mentioned that upswing of jaws is not possible after the occlusional plane is made horizontal by braces. Is the same true for downswing? If I get braces right now, I probably wont be able to chew as many hard foods. Could this cause a downswing of jaws or will the horizontal occlusional plane mean no more movement will occur?

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    2. Hi. I am not going to give you advice on how to address your deepbite, as my article focuses only on the topic of an adenoid face (and deepbite is a separate jaw issue). What I meant was that chewing ensures that the upswing of the occlusal plane is simultaneous with the upswing of the jaws. You are young, hence your jaw bones still continue to grow - if you won't chew, there will be no resistance against the natural rotational growth of the maxilla, and that will lead to a downswing of both jaws. Braces/Invisalign alter the positioning of the teeth, not the jaws. And these appliances will not prevent the natural downswing of the jaws; only chewing will.

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  26. this is an amazingly articulated blog and really great to read, thank you for taking the time to write everything.

    im not sure if this is really related to the post but how does ramus length tie into this, i notice that my ramus isnt as long as i would of liked it to be, and so far ive attributed that to genes, however my jaw is down swung and i don't believe i have an adenoid face (but i am biased i know). do you think ramus length has anything to do with this maxilla rotation?

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    1. Hi. A similar question was asked by a commenter "jackiesst" above. Chewing stimulates the growth of the ramus, making it longer and more robust. Here's a link to an image that compares 2 skulls (https://imgur.com/gallery/impact-of-mastication-on-length-of-mandibular-ramus-DcYxR1i). The jaws are not down-swung in either of these skulls, and yet you can see the difference in the length of the mandibular ramuses. The reason why the skull in the x-ray scan has a shorter ramus is that the patient used to chew enough to prevent the downswing, but not as intensely and frequently as the hunter-gatherer in the second image. And no, genes do not affect the jaws at all.

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  27. As mentioned, by several comments before me, this is a truly wonderful and life changing article. I cannot thank you enough for dedicating so much of your time and effort into this. Although I am older than the ideal age to make a change (almost turned 18) I am determined to adopt these new chewing habits to make as much improvement as possible.

    I have 3 questions to you. Firstly - Why is it that some people develop compensations whilst others don't? I have a mildly downturned jaw and my posture is completely terrible. Meanwhile, a friend of mine has a severely downturned maxilla and mandible but immaculate posture. He also doesn't have any breathing issues.

    Secondly- How can people correct their posture if adenoid face is truly the cause behind developing it in the first place? I have seen cases where people have gone through complete postural restoration despite their faces being the same.

    Lastly - I wanted to ask you about palate expanders. How common are the negative side effects of these? I don't have an extremely narrow palate (8 of my teeth are visible while smiling) however I was considering undergoing expansion to improve it. Do the risks outweigh the benefits? Do surgeries such as bimax with ccw rotation widen the palate?

    Thank you in advance!

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    1. Thanks for the supportive words!
      1) I haven't seen the posture of your friend, but if he does have an adenoid face, perhaps he compensates with an upward headtilt, which is often overlooked. Not everyone with down-swung jaws develops breathing issues; it depends mostly on the degree of the downswing.
      2) Adenoid face is just one of many causes of bad posture.
      3) If the palate expander is constructed well, I wouldn't say there is a downside. Bimaxillary surgery with CCW rotation doesn't make the palate wider.

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  28. Hello, love the blog just wanted to hear your thoughts on a few questions ive had, Im 15 turning 16 and have developed a adenoid face with a slight gummy smile and slanted occlusional plane. Im starting to chew hard mastic gums daily to try to reverse it but one thing that does come to mind is, If this all due to a tilt in my maxilla and not growth, why would surgerons typically need to impact the maxilla in order to remove the excess vertical growth? Wouldnt that mean that they gained unnecessary extra bone growth in the vertical dimension?

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    1. Thanks for taking my advice and applying it to your daily life. An adenoid face isn't a result of plain vertical downward growth, as the maxilla is growing not only downward but also backward, hence rotation. As I said in the blog, most surgeons still don't understand the concept of physiological rotational growth of the maxilla - a minimal amount of surgeons perform a jaw surgery with counter-clockwise (CCW) rotation. Impacting the maxilla without rotating it will improve neither function nor aesthetics.

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  29. https://tooth-for-a-tooth.com/beauty/how_braces_damage_faces/

    Is this info false? Article claims that braces lengthen the maxilla.. contrary to what you stated in the article and in the comments.

    Also should a person with a narrow palate first go for expansion and then braces or are the two not correlated?

    Great article btw. I have encouraged my younger siblings to all be on a tough food diet!

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    1. I wouldn't say that the article is false, as braces do damage faces. However, it is somewhat misleading because braces retract the face (especially if someone has had extractions) instead of lengthening it. The longer midface is a result of natural maxillary downswing. Regarding the lady in the first image, it seems that along the orthodontic treatment she has had liposuction in the cheek area (or she has lost weight) and lip fillers. And I suspect the pictures were taken with a different focal length. That makes for a completely unfair comparison. 

      Braces do not expand the palate, and if one chooses not to wear a retainer after the treatment (for the rest of his life), the teeth will slowly shift into the crooked position again, as there still won't be enough space. This is not going to happen after first expanding the palate with an expander, as this way you are actually creating more space for the teeth.

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  30. This was a very interesting read for sure. I like how everything was explained one by one almost like a book! I had a couple of questions.

    Firstly, are there any long term complications that come with having a subconscious upward head tilt? I've noticed a lot of people nowadays have it. Especially younger people.

    Secondly, the part about tooth decay was very eye opening. As an older kid or adult what can someone do to restore healthy teeth? I don't just mean whitening since there are a lot of procedures for that.. what I mean is, can someone older thicken their enamel layer?

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    1. Chronic upward head tilt will reflect in bad posture overall, which may lead to other complications down the line.

      No, once the teeth erupt, the process of enamel formation is complete, and after that point, the enamel cannot be regrown or regenerated.

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  31. Could you explain a bit more about tongue thrust and how it affects the face? Judging by the article it seems like tongue thrust actually saved those people from developing an even worse looking face due to slight maxillary and mandibular projection. Are there any negatives to a protuded alveolar process?

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    1. Also can someone with a short mandible also benefit from chewing to lengthen it or will chewing only facilitate upswing? (im 17 hoping to see changes in my face. I have strated regularly chewing stronger gum.)

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    2. Once I posed this exact question to a more erudite person than myself, and the answer was that the teeth may eventually fall out due to a lack of support. However, I am not sure how much credibility this answer holds.

      Mandibles are short only relatively (I explained it on the piece of tube in the article). The upswing will lead to more forward projection; hence, the mandible will appear longer, but in reality it's just going to be oriented more horizontally.

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  32. Definitely a great read! I have a few questions I'd like to pose.

    Could hard chewing potentially damage the teeth? I read somewhere that vigorous chewing of mastic gum can damage molars and you might need to get molar implants. I also asked my orthodontist about hard chewing and explained to him the science behind this. He was very dismissive and he claimed that it will give me tmd.

    I also wanted to gain a final clarity on braces and Invisalign. Do they or do they not affect the positioning of jaws in an adenoid face. Iv come across several sources which state that braces actually push in the maxilla creating a sunken look. Why then do people like Bellingham and Michael B Jordan as mentioned above by others not face these consequences? Is it simply a myth that braces push the jaws inwards?

    Lastly I'd like to ask you about orbital recession. What do you think causes it? Is it simply a side effect of having an adenoid face or is it genetic?

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    1. I assume by damage you mean the teeth getting worn out. This wear can be seen in the skulls of all hunters-gatherers; however, with our modern diets, it's never going to happen. Teeth grinding (bruxism) is a different story - due to a lack of airway space, patients grind at sleep, and during nighttime, the "buckshot reflex" (during mastication, if the upper and lower teeth come in contact with something way too hard, the whole process of chewing suddenly stops) isn't present. This way the patients are damaging not only their teeth but also the temporo-mandibular joint (masticatory muscles contract and push the condyle head deep into the socket, which results in loss of circulation for some time). Progressively, the jaw joint will get damaged, and the result is TMD. Fast / vigorous chewing may also cause TMD; hence, chewing at a slower pace is recommended. But chewing gum isn't going to cause any damage to the surface of the molars.

      Regarding the treatment with braces, it really depends on the specifics of the treatment (e.g., usage of TADs or previous tooth extractions), so I cannot give you a clear answer as each treatment is individual and there is no way for me to know the details of every case. Braces mostly push the jaws inward in people who have had extractions.

      Orbital recession is caused by the downswing of the maxilla along with zygomatic bones, which are in direct contact with it.

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  33. Are you completely sure that genetics play no role in jaw development? You gave the example of Natalie Portman's son, however, I would like to point out that her ex husband has an adenoid face. Also Rowan Atkinson's wife does not have an adenoid face and has great jaw development so that could be the reason his daughter did not inherit the down swung jaw.

    Are there any examples where both parents have good jaws but their child has an adenoid face? Or any example where both parents have adenoid faces but their child has good jaw development? I know this may be unlikely since parents pass on similar habits to their child. But I feel like there will be certain examples if your hypothesis is true.

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    1. One example of parents whose child, unlike them, has an adenoid face would be Heidi Klum, husband Seal Samuel, and their daughter Lou.

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  34. As regards this informative study, you have mentioned any children, especially adolescents, should incorporate mastication practices with intensity, consistency and frequency, providing that they are urge to reverse those down swung face. While the post recommends tough gum as an optimized alternative, many mainstreamed papers and channels really propose against the long-term use of them, (cavity, tooth decay, bloating, GERD, ...) and only suggest a short 15-minute daily chewing instead.
    To what extent do you think this is a piece of misleading information or rather a verified scientific proof? Is it advisable for adults (20s)?
    Thanks for the post!

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    1. Thanks for the question. It all comes down to the ingredients used in the gum. The companies selling tough chewing gums are aware that chewing regular gum frequently can lead to tooth decay; hence, they opted for xylitol as a main sweetener. Xylitol, unlike sugar, doesn't lead to cavities; moreover, it has protective properties.

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  35. Hey man, I got braces to fix my teeth and now I have to wear a retainer like 5 times a week at night. If I opt for a palate expander now, would I be able to get rid of the retainer and be able to avoid getting wisdom tooth extracted. (They haven't erupted yet)

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    1. Palate expander may be helpful, creating space in side-to-side diameter. If you have down-swung jaws, chewing will create additional space in front-to-back diameter, along with the upswing of both jaws. 

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  36. A great read through and through! I have put my 5 year old on a tough diet and I hope more parents can come across this :)

    My questions to you -
    You have mentioned that hormones such as testosterone plays 0 role in developing the jaw. How do you explain this post then https://www.reddit.com/r/NonBinary/s/z0OKZEnKub. Their jaw appears to have really changed after the testosterone dosage.

    Also you must be familiar with actor jeremy allen white. His face is adenoid but he seems to have perfect posture. How is this possible?

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    1. Thanks for taking my advice!

      1) I wouldn't say there were skeletal changes in that person's case; more likely only the skin tightened up. On top of that, it's not objective to compare two images with totally different lighting.

      2) Not everyone with an adenoid face has striking postural issues such as forward head posture or anterior pelvic tilt. J.A. White compensates with an upward head tilt.

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    2. Hey commenter! What tough food diet did you put your 5yearold on?

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  37. Great article! I am so glad that there is someone out there trying to help others. The paragraph at the end really shows your character and mission. Sincerest thank you.

    What are your thoughts on this reel - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DARQkjBRv9c/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

    He claims that chewing gum isn't as effective and can even cause harm..

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    1. Many thanks! Chewing any type of gum (regular/tough) in a fast way may result in TMD - hence I wrote that it's necessary to chew slowly. Chewing gums allow you to chew anywhere, anytime, and in the long run, it's relatively cheap, unlike, for example, steak mentioned by him. For young children that have yet not developed adenoid faces, chewing tough food itself is sufficient.

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  38. Hey, thanks for the informative read. I have a narrow/recessed maxilla which has resulted in a posterior crossbite on the right side of my teeth. I also have a buck shaped nose and lack of under-eye support. After consulting an orthodontist I have decided to go for MARPE palate expansion (I am 18 years old)and get braces afterwards to fix the crossbite and a few crooked teeth. Do you have any idea on what I can do to improve my situation and are there any concerns that I must keep in mind regarding the braces treatment? Can the braces further result in a download rotation/recession of my already deficient maxilla or will that not be an issue as I am getting an expander ?

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    1. I've just completed MARPE and invisalign to close the gap, details and pictures on my blog (searchable from name but assuming I can't put a link here). I'm M33. Note that MARPE doesn't get you significant forward expansion, but at 18 maybe it's worth seeing if you can get that from tongue posture and chewing, assisted by the MARPE. Send me an email if you want to ask any more specific questions.

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    2. I cannot give you a proper answer as I haven't seen your issues in person. Braces do not cause down-swung jaws. Palate expanders create more space for the teeth in the side-to-side diameter but don't improve the downswing of the jaws.

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  39. Hi Karol, thank you so much for this article. I am hoping to summarize and simplify it so that it can reach more people on my blog on Medium.

    I have 61k+ followers on there and I will of course credit you and link back to this original article. Is that okay with you?

    This is the link to my blog. I write under 'Bella L'

    https://medium.com/@mathgames

    Btw so are you suggesting that pretty much every human, if developed properly, should have an aesthetic side profile and a good jawline?

    You know the typical 120 degrees gonial angle type of model jawline. Thanks!

    Take care
    Barry

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    1. Hi. Of course I agree - it will help with spreading the message. 

      Yes, every person is supposed to have a "good-looking" face, and the proper development of jaws is the main driving factor in having one.

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  40. So appreciate you for this πŸ™πŸΏπŸ™πŸΏπŸ™πŸΏ. Have you come across the effects of tongue tie in your work?

    If primary mouth breathing is caused by inflammation in the airway, does that mean the true root cause isn't lack of tough food but the source of the inflammation (ex. Gerbil)?

    How did you handle your food intolerance to eat more?

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    1. The root cause of adenoid faces is natural rotational growth of the upper jaw. If one doesn't chew, there is no resistance opposing this growth, and the formation of an adnoid face takes place. Inflamed airways are never the cause. The tongue tie should obviously be resolved, but in toddlers and older children (whose source of nutrition is solid food instead of liquid), it plays no role in the development of down-swung jaws.

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    2. Tongue tie would restrict the infant from properly swallowing amniotic fluid, thus causing the downward rotational growth of the jaw, correct?

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    3. Hello, I just want to start off and say this was a great read so good job on that!! You already said this in your article briefly but there’s really is absolutely nothing you can do once your occlusal plane is horizontal ?? I’m sorry but my jaw is downswung and I already went thru the whole braces treatment for quite some time unfortunately and I think my occlusal plane is straight but I always thought that maybe some kind of surgery with CCW rotation can save me but reading this is making me think otherwise 😭 I don’t mean to make you repeat yourself but not even surgery can fix you after that and can you explain why ? 😞 Once again sorry and thank you for the article πŸ™

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    4. As an OMF surgeon, I can save OP some time and repetition, (can delete this if you want) -

      Braces make the occlusal plane horizontal. In bimax + ccw, we rotate the jaws along with the occlusion to achieve an upswing. This is simply not possible if orthodontic work has already made the occlusion horizontal. The jaws cannot be rotated independently. As mentioned in the article, this is sadly a major flaw in today's orthodontics.

      However, not all hope is lost for you :) Braces don't always make the occlusion completely horizontal. If it is slightly downswung, ccw rotation of the mandible and maxilla is still possible to some extent. Your best bet is to get evaluated by a surgeon. Even in the unfortunate case that your occlusion is indeed horizontal, a simple bimax with advancement may help alleviate sleep apnea or other issues you may be having (although this isn't guaranteed and depends on your individual case.) From an aesthetic standpoint, custom implants, genioplasty, targeted fillers, rhinoplasty, orbital implants etc. can help you obtain a more balanced profile even if your jaws are downswung.

      Best Regards - Lahm Kaiser

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  41. Hello, mate. Very interesting and unique thread! But how do you explain studies that show polygenic scores for certain mandible traits, which then have observable effects on the phenotype, like overbites or underbites? There are genetic mutations that strongly correlate with these traits.

    But that aside, I’m 23 now, and my jaw growth has already ossified. Since natural bone growth isn’t an option anymore, what surgeries and procedures can I consider to achieve a face closer to a male model's? I’m being open and honest here—I’ve looked into genioplasty, rhinoplasty, double jaw surgery, and custom implants, but none seem to fully transform an "average Joe" to a male model. What could I do to get a face like a male model's, say, as a random example, Andreas Eriksen?

    thank your post btw

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    1. Hi. Like you say, there is a CORRELATION - nothing more (the true, mechanical causative factors are already explained in the article). And as for your goal to look like a "model" - my article is aimed mainly at the younger generation (kids, teens) who can undoubtedly achieve changes naturally. I am not willing to delve into the "looks-maxxing" territory where you are trying to go.

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  42. Hi Karol first of all what a thorough and conclusive article. I am 36 with adenoid face and had kids 4 years ago so have been in the process of getting my life together to be my best for them. Ive quit drinking and smoking 3 years ago, and I exercise every day. Your article explains me perfectly. The face, crooked teeth, obstructive sleep apnea, forward head posture and anterior pelvic tilt. Ive been separately searching for answers not knowing these are all connected. CPAP machine for sleep, invisalign with 4 teeth removed after losing 2 teeth 10 years ago, and lower back ache due to APT so o know focus some exercise toward this. Is there anything i can do??? Please help, your article is so good and yet made me sad to read and confirm i am an exact subject of your writing

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    1. Thanks! As for the APT, focus on consistently stretching the psoas and simultaneously strengthening the muscles that are relatively weak (core muscles, glutes, hamstrings). And instead of relying on CPAP, look into jaw surgery for the OSA. I cannot give you a more comprehensive answer as I haven't seen you in person.

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  43. I found this article randomly on .org and i must say that this is very impressive and down to every last detail . i have a couple of questions tho . so basically im 15 and 6 months old right now and i got braces from 13 and removed them just 6 months ago , but i was very ill disciplined and i did not properly put on my elastics ( thats if i ever put them at all since i found them annoying ) , and i stopped wearing my invasilign after 2 months even tho the doctor told me to put them on for 2 years , i think the doctor put some type of wire on my lower and upper incisors to prevent them from getting back to their original position . i wanna say that i grew up hating red meat and most of my diet consisted of soft foods and chips which caused me to get an overbite and i was bullied for having rabbit teeth . after braces id say that my jaw became more developed and my teeth became aligned BUT my chin is unfortunately recessed and i developed very bad posture with forward neck tilt and an anterior pelvic tilt ( this bad posture mainly occured cuz of my prolonged gaming sessions which i also had bad posture in ) . im just asking to see if there is any ray of light for me to fix my recessed chin and bad posture since you said that chewing will have zero effect if you had braces . thanks for such an amazing article and it really made me more self aware than i already was and i will definitely try my best to provide my children with a hard food diet and help them develop better habits . i also wanna say that im sorry for my terrible wording since i skimmed through your article and only understood the basics of it .

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    1. Chewing may still benefit you if your occlusal plane (OP) remains slanted after the treatment with braces. Braces do not make the OP horizontal in everyone with down-swung jaws. As for your chin, it's not recessed/small. The issue lies in the rotation of both the jaws, and perhaps your alveolar process is projected forward too much. There is no way for me to know more without pictures or x-ray scans, so this response will have to suffice.

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  44. This article was really interesting and helped me become more knowledgeable, since I also want to study in the medical field. However, I still have one question. I was wondering if there was a way to promote the maxilla's forward growth. I'm slightly recessed when it comes to my maxilla and chin, and since the maxilla and the mandible grow together then maybe my problems would be fixed if helped my maxilla grow forward.

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    1. The upswing (and hence forward growth) of the maxilla happens simultaneously with the mandibular upswing due to masticatory forces. I am repeating myself here, but it isn't pure horizontal movement forward - it's a rotation, therefore it's called an upSWING. And no, the mandible doesn't follow the maxilla. It's the movement of the mandible that shapes the maxilla (or not, if one doesn't masticate).

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  45. this was such a great read! idk if you’re still active and whether you’d still see this, but i (20f) have an adanoid face. my orthodontist neglected my issues and said i’m a “borderline” case and my bite can be fixed with orthodontics alone, even tho my lower jaw was way smaller. i started my orthodontic treatment at 19, and started using a fixed appliance called forsus to align my jaws together, just 2 months short from turning 20. i’ve been using it for 6 months now. i definitely can see some forward growth of my mandible, but i’m still evidently recessed. in the article you mentioned that once the mouth is damaged by orthodontics, surgery can’t yield great results that it otherwise could’ve. honestly? i feel so trapped. i hate my profile even tho i’m considered conventionally attractive. and all that hate stems out of my jaw recession and maybe a slightly strong nose projection. i breathe from my nose, but when i wake up prematurely from sleep i often catch my mouth wide open. idk what to do. should i continue my forsus treatment for 2 more months (afterwards my orthodontist plans on removing the appliance) and get maybe 1-2mm of more growth or do ugh ive no clue do what instead. i did go to an oral surgeon last year, and he said he would move my mandible forward by 6mm, and that’s something even my ortho said of doing with the fixed appliance alone. i like to think my upper jaw is well developed but i could be wrong. i was just stunned when two surgeons suggested me to get DJS and get me upper jaw set BACKWARDS for 1-2mm, cause i’ve never heard of maxilla being repositioned backwards. so i like to believe its well built. my facial profile hurts me so much. i’m such a confident person with a bold voice, yet my recessed mandible brings me down to my knees everytime. what do you think? i’m still supposed to be on braces for another half a year or so. do you think my current plan is good, or do i force my orthodontist to start decomposing my bite and prepare me for surgery? it seems like ive achieved a horinzontal occlusal plain. how will that work upon decomposition? do you think i’ll look better with jaw surgery (with rotation) or should i just be on forsus and get a sliding genioplasty later on to enhance my chin deficiency? any and every suggestion from your end would be highly appreciated, i’m so grateful to you for this majestic blogpost!

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